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BillWV

12-22-2002 09:59:09




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I'd like some advice an what kind of welder or welders would be best for me. Right now, I have a Lincoln 225 AC-only stick welder, and an oxy-acetylene set-up. I'd like to be able to weld sheet metal in aluminum and steel. Should I ditch the 225 AC for an AC/DC welder, or learn to weld with the oxy-acetylene? Are the cheaper ($400) mig machines worth fooling with? I can't justify a spool gun for the mig, since this is just for farm/hobby use.
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Bill

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Trucker

12-23-2002 19:16:26




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 Re: Advice on welder in reply to BillWV, 12-22-2002 09:59:09  
Myself I like welding thin stuff with a mig.Stick and torch will both do it,and you can get real small 6011 rod,but if you weld occasionally with a torch you probobly dont have the practice to weld thin stuff very good.With a mig,once you get onto welding with it,you can weld a lot faster and with less warp.Thats just me,I never welded much with a torch,and a lot with a mig.I prefer a 7018 rod to weld with a stick,but 6011 works if you do it right,and a torch can weld aluminum,where its likely going to be thicker metal you are trying to weld if its aluminum,which means it would be easier to weld thick aluminum(and not buy the mig liner,argon gas)with the torch,and thin steel with the mig.A lot depends on what it looks like to you when you get done.I know from my own experience that I can make a good weld with a mig,but if I used a torch on thin stuff,it might be stuck together good,but it would be a warped looking mess.I can use 7018 rod on a Lincoln buzz box,and make a good weld,but I can weld it a lot faster with a mig,up to about 1/4 inch thick.Once you get past that thickness you need to do a lot of other stuff like v it out,or use a root weld and grind out the slag,depending on how strong you want it.If you get a good mig,and like to run it,you might not use the buzz box much,mostly because its faster,and it works better on the high carbon steel that most machinery is made out of nowdays.Also you dont have to worry about rods going bad,or which ones to use.The drawback is it costs more at first,tanks and wire arent cheap,but they last a long time.Mostly its up to you,and what you want to do with it.Having not had a 400 dollar mig,I dont know what they will do,but for 7 or 8 hundred if you shop around you can find a mig that can do about everything.Myself I think you need one that runs on 220 volts or you are wasting your money.Thats up to you too,as you might not want it unless its real portable.The main thing is to get a mig you can turn down low,and use .023 wire for thin metal,and can turn up high and use .035 wire for thick metal.While a lot of migs are good for one or the other,I havent seen a lot that worked good on both.Copper coils make for a smoother weld too.I have a HTP mig I like real well.It didnt cost a fortune,and you can use it on thick or thin metal,and it has copper coils.Just my opinion.

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Curt

12-22-2002 18:49:21




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 Re: Advice on welder in reply to BillWV, 12-22-2002 09:59:09  
i love my dad's ole buzz box. you wouldn't believe the stuff we can do with that thing



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T_Bone

12-22-2002 14:19:00




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 Re: Advice on welder in reply to BillWV, 12-22-2002 09:59:09  
Hi Bill,

You already have what you need for a home shop. Although I've used the best machines available when I was working, I have a 40yr old Lincoln AC buzzer, Victor 100 torch and a Sp100 Mig. The Sp100 was bought for a sepecific water tank job with the addition of being able to use for light gauge Tig work as a benefit. In 13yrs I've owed the SP100 I have yet to use it for Tig and I'm a Sheetmetal worker by trade.

Learn to weld with the Oxy/Acet torch and you can use that for AL, brass, lead, SS, gold, silver or many other metals and lite gauge SM. It's the heat setting that allows for lite gauge work. I weld 30gauge gold alot with a Oxy/Acet torch and it don't get much finer work than that.

On my AC buzzer, I just got done welding a 2x2" solid stem for a hitch extension and I would not have a problem with having that pass an x-ray exam. I use alot of Lincoln 6013. Not all brands of 6013 is created equal.

If I had choice of buying the SP100 Mig today, I wouldn't waste the money.

T_Bone

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BillWV

12-22-2002 18:39:51




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 Re: Re: Advice on welder in reply to T_Bone, 12-22-2002 14:19:00  
Thanks, T-Bone. I'm a little disappointed as I'm always looking for bigger/better/newer gadgets for the shop, but this way will save me some $ and give a project to work on this winter...learning to weld and braze with the torches. Up till now, just used for cutting.

I learned a bit about rods when I built a CadPlans backhoe last winter. The plans recommend 7018's, up until then had always used 6013's for everything. I tried a couple different suppliers until I just bought some sealed Lincoln rods at Lowes, they made some really pretty welds. I learned to keep them dry,dry,dry.

Thanks,
Bill

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jim

12-22-2002 16:43:08




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 Re: Re: Advice on welder in reply to T_Bone, 12-22-2002 14:19:00  
I agree with you T-bone , those old Lincoln Buzzers were great machine. I still have my little 180 bought in 1962 for $150. For an additional $10 ,the local Lincoln distributor offered a 6 night welding course for we newbies. I'll never forget that first night. Our instructor stalked in on his wooden leg and handed a wooden match to each student. After making the rounds, he asked us to strike that wooden match. As soon as we had struck those matches , he told us that we now knew how to weld and that the rest would just be practice. Boy has that story ever levelled a lot of swelled headed pipeliners I've met over the years.
You're right , I've used that little 180 to weld everything under the sun in the last 40yrs.

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Fred OH

12-25-2002 09:22:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Advice on welder in reply to jim, 12-22-2002 16:43:08  
Jim, the 180 Lincoln was my first welder too, back in the 60's. I went to a feed and grain type store where they had them, the next county over. When the clerk asked me if he could help me, I told him that I wanted one of those welders, wanted to pay half of it today and the other half in thirty days. He made out the bill on it and turned it around for me to sign my john henry and took half payment and that was it. No ID or drivers license and he had never seen me before! Thirty days later, I came back and handed him the remaining half. I think that was a routine way of doing business years ago. Hasen't the world changed since those days? L8R....Fred OH

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jim

12-26-2002 08:05:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Advice on welder in reply to Fred OH, 12-25-2002 09:22:53  
Fred - You're right , most of the world sure has changed since the 60's. But you know Fred , you can still see those qualities in the people you meet through YT Mag. Their wilingness to share advice and experience reminds me of those days spent hanging around those old feed stores. By the way , I've purchased two tractors over the counter by just signing the counter bill, the last one just last month with payment to be made by Feb.2003 with no interest.
Those people are still out there, just harder to find and well worth hanging onto when found. Happy New Year and let's keep that old feed store mentality alive forever.

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