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Slowpoke

12-12-2002 01:11:47




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I'm currently using a standard 4x5 Shade 11 viewplate for MIG welding, and am thinking about getting an auto dark helmet.
They have a view area as small as 1" to as large as 2-3/4"+, and are priced from $80-$300+.
Does anyone have experience using the auto dark helmet with bifocals? Or maybe just regular single vision lenses? Are maginfier lenses (in the helmet) good with glasses? Any thoughts on solar, battery, or combination power? Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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Slowpoke

12-13-2002 18:00:07




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 Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Slowpoke, 12-12-2002 01:11:47  
Thanks to T_Bone and all who replied to Auto Dark Helmets question.

At present I do all my welding outdoors. I try to face the sun to cut out inside reflections. I tried the towel trick, but quit after my hair started burning one day. I wonder what construction welders do about reflections? I'm no longer associated with any "organized work group", so I weld at my convenience.....mostly when the sun shines. Most of my 'welding' consists of setup time with very little arc time. A few repairs here and there, and a lot of trying to come up with accesories to add to machinery and equipment, to get it to do more.

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T_Bone

12-14-2002 22:02:23




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 Re: Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Slowpoke, 12-13-2002 18:00:07  
Hi Slowpoke,

If most of your welding is outside, you might want to use a shade 11. If you go the Gold Cool-Ray lens then a shade 10 will probably do for outside work. But it depends on how light sensitive your eyes are. The gold lens reflects more than a regular lens so it would be close to a shade 11 in a normal lens. I would take my hood with me to the welding supply shop and pop in a 10 then head out side and look at the sun thru the lens. That should tell you if your going to be happy with it.

When I weld I like to see whats in the molten puddle at all times and that takes a slightly darker lens.

Welding outside I have found to keep the sun facing you then cock your head to one side or the other to remove inside hood reflections. Alot of times it's the reflections form surrounding equiptment or buildings.

T_Bone

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Chuck

12-12-2002 10:57:49




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 Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Slowpoke, 12-12-2002 01:11:47  
I have a auto darkening helmet. I wear trifocals. I bought the cheaters and do not wear my glasses while welding. The cheaters and the autodarkening helmet really help me out.



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Jerry A.

12-12-2002 05:09:38




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 Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Slowpoke, 12-12-2002 01:11:47  
Greatest invention since sliced bread!

I've got two different low end brands I bought from Harbor Freight (I just do hobby welding). Both give about the same view. If I did more welding, I might go for a higher end unit with a larger field of view. My cheapos work OK for me.



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Dunderman

12-12-2002 04:12:39




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 Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Slowpoke, 12-12-2002 01:11:47  
I have a battery powered one 5 x 7 and I wear glasses (can't see without em). Only problem I have ever had is in certain welding positions, my glasses fog up from my breath. The work really great, and you can adjust the darkness from around 0 to shade 12 on mine. Good luck...

Jason



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Skinner

12-12-2002 03:43:26




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 Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Slowpoke, 12-12-2002 01:11:47  
Sorry, I don't wear glasses (but I need some).
I bought the Hobart 175 Xmas Special last year that came with a Auto Hood. Guessing the lense is roughly around 3" x 5" and it's dual power (solar w/battery).

Personally, for me, it helped my welding tremedously, quality of my bead improved and I get more done. I was very skeptical of these hoods until I tried on. Before, I used an old hood with cheaters and left arc marks on everything I didn't want to weld (grin).

My only problem now is my shop lights are so bright that they shine in behind my hood and reflect off the inside of the lense so I put a towel over the back of my hood and sorta solved that problem. Every once in awhile I smell something burning and know the first place to look! Before I just felt it.

I don't know if cheaters are available or work on these hoods because I haven't tried it or looked for one. T-Bone or some of the other folks maybe able to help there.

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jake

12-12-2002 08:38:05




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 Re: Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Skinner, 12-12-2002 03:43:26  
To eliminate the bifocal problem I use the cheepo reading glasses found in K Mart etc.



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jake

12-12-2002 08:37:46




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 Re: Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to Skinner, 12-12-2002 03:43:26  
To eliminate the bifocal problem I use the cheepo reading glasses found in K Mart etc.



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T_Bone

12-12-2002 10:14:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Auto Dark Welding Helmets in reply to jake, 12-12-2002 08:37:46  
Hi Slowpoke,

A person wearing bi-focals would be much happier with having all glass lens made with a full bifocal correction, like reading glasses. This lets your eyes not have to look for the bifocal on your regular glasses and keeps you from having to tilt your head to see the weld puddle thru the bifocal. The in hood bifocals do work but not as well. Try it I guarntee you'll like it.

If your eyes are not light sensitive then try a #10 while Mig welding.
Your neck will never for give you for buying a auto-darkening hood, there heavy. For us older guys it do make a big difference after 8 hrs. HeII I didn't like them when I was younger either as there to slow to darken and you will get flash burn. If you really want a auto hood then I would stick with Huntsman and only buy the best.


I'll repost my thoughts on welding lens:
Weldinghoods

The most important part of a welding hood is the lens as it protects your eyes. Welding is very hard on your eyesight. I went from a minus 125 vision correction to minus 575 (coke bottles) in 20yrs of full time welding. I then backed off of full time welding(8hrs/day) to 8hrs/week for the next 10yrs then to couple welds a year for the next 10yrs and my vision in the past 10yrs has returned to minus 450. Not good but showing just how welding can effect your eyes.

There is a difference in a plastic lens and a all glass lens. A plastic lens will create a weld puddle distortion of two weld puddles with-in the lens area. One phoney weld puddle and the real weld puddle. This distortion can be seen best seen while Tig welding but is present under all types of welding. A all glass lens will stop the distortion. The best glass lens I found is called a Cool-Ray lens. The glass cool-ray lens has a layer of gold over the glass face. They cost about $60 eh but well worth it as your eyes will not be tired nor burned at the end of 8hrs of welding. Being there is a layer of gold on the outside of the lens, you want to use a fiber gasket, then a clear glass lens, then the glass cool-ray lens, then another clear glass lens on the inside. There is a gold colored plastic lens, this is not the correct lens!

Plastic corrective eye glasses will also give the weld puddle distrotion.

How can you tell if your eyes have been burned or your feeling the effects of welding? At night just before you fall asleep with your eyes closed you will feel a very warm feeling in your eyes. This is welding burn also called flash burn. Your eyes are telling you to do someting different!

Welding shade number:
I found over the years that a number 10 cool-ray is good for stick and Mig welding and a number 12 is good for Tig welding.

The best welding hood I've found is the Huntsman 411P. It's made from a lite weight fiber thats easy on the neck and cool on your face after 8hrs of welding. Plastic or fiberglass hoods will heat soak while welding where as the fiber hood will not heat soak. This will cause you to become tired easy thus letting your eyes wonder and not consentrating on the weld puddle.

Autodarkening welding hoods:
I'm not a fan of the auto hoods. One, they use a plastic lens and you get weld puddle distortion. Two, there heavy and your neck will let you know it at the end of the day. Three and the big one, what comes first to make the autodarken feature work? The ARC strike! so your eyes will pick-up a small amount of arc flash before the lens darkens.

So how do you tell where to stike the arc? Place your electrode next to where you going to strike the arc then flip down your hood, then strike the arc. With experience you will quickly master striking the arc where you want it.

T_Bone

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