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T_Bone

12-11-2002 15:35:35




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Hi All,

I just tried out a new stone for chain saws called EZE Lap. It's a diamond rotary file with a guide. Cost was $9.90 for two stones and two guides or $9.90 for two stones. The guides are free. lol

The arbor is 1/8" and the stone cutting surface is 1" long, mine was 7/32" but they make them for 3 different tooth sizes. The simple guide is 1" wide x 1-1/2" long with 35* and 30* cutting guide lines. You use a dab of greese at the stone guide holes but no oil is required for the stone. We'll see about that as I used the first as directed.

They sell a 12v die grinder with stone for $30. Runs at 16000rpm? I didn't buy that so don't know about the quality.

The company claims 15 to 35 chains on each stone or more. Well after the ruff cutt was knocked off the stone I couldn't tell if there was any more ware on the stone so it very well may sharpen a few chains.

I did a 20" bar chain in about 20 minutes and I'm slow. A Very fast cutting stone. Now if they just last as advertised.

They also make diamond stones for other sharpening needs. From what I've seen it's worth a look!

T_Bone

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don

12-12-2002 16:30:55




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 Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-11-2002 15:35:35  
You guys might want to ask the question over on this forum. This site has hard core chainsaw users and are more than willing to answer questions for new guys. Be prepared because several guys on this forum are world class hotsaw racers, professional loggers, even engineers for the saw manufacturers. Chain sharpening debates have been going on for at least 3 years on this site.

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T_Bone

12-13-2002 08:18:14




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to don, 12-12-2002 16:30:55  
Hi Don,

What is the best file material to use for sharpening a chain?

Are the diamond stones any good?

Great write up on how to tell if a chain is dull!

T_Bone



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don

12-13-2002 17:21:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-13-2002 08:18:14  
Nothing can beat a hand filing with a carbon file.
Double cut carbon file by hand is best.
As the sharpening guide (in the previous post) says you are working with at least 3 angles.
If you are talking about a dremel type sharpening I never used them and the forum (www.arboritsite.com) has little to say about them. Most people hand file, have a chain sharpener or pay to have it sharpened at a shop.
I don't see how you could be consistent with the dremel electric file unless you have some type of holder that would aline it properly with a chain.
Then in essence you have a chain grinder. When you use an electric grinder it is important not to burn the chain so it looses its strength.

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T_Bone

12-14-2002 09:49:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to don, 12-13-2002 17:21:07  
Hi Don,

Thats what I was talking about as the stone comes mounted in a guide for keeping aligned with proper rake angles 30* to 35*, and can do compound angles of 0* to 10*.

You apply cutting pressure with your thumb on the stone giude but not the drill motor/die grinder as the arbor of the stone is 1/8". With light pressure applied to the stone guide, the diamond stone will cut very well.

For shaping the tooth, then the diamond stone is not well suited as other silicon stone componds are much faster cutting with less heat.

T_Bone

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Ludwig

12-12-2002 09:32:03




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 Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-11-2002 15:35:35  
Heres a dumb question.
How do you know what size you chain is? I've got a saw that was my grandfather's, its sharp now but I'd like to be prepared.



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don

12-12-2002 17:18:53




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to Ludwig, 12-12-2002 09:32:03  
Ways to know a chain is dull.
Well here goes but I will miss a few.

Wood burnt in cut.

Bar and chain excessively hot

Chainsaw labors on easy cuts

Wood chips change size and appearance

Smoke from wood burning

Slow cutting

RPM's slow on saw and torque increases

Cut less wood per gas tank than compared when the chain is sharp

When the chain no longer self-feeds

A properly sharpened saw chain pulls itself down through the cut.

If you find yourself pushing on the saw to make it cut, or using the bucking spikes to apply heavy leverage, it's time to sharpen the chain.

When the saw's discharge is dusty. A properly sharpened saw chain expels nice, square wood chips. If your saw is producing wood dust instead of chips, it's time to sharpen

When the chain looks shiny. Look at the top plate and side plate. If the chrome plating has worn away, it will expose the steel underneath, and the cutting edge will be shiny. To restore the cutting edge, you must file the steel away until a thin overhang of chrome returns.


To sharpen try these sites :
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and>Link then into the Info and ARticles section to find how to sharpen chain with a file.

details:

* Preliminary considerations The best place to sharpen, if possible, is on a workbench. It's more difficult and time consuming to do a good job in the field. Most professional operators carry several sharp chains into the field. When one gets dull, they simply replace it with another. This is faster than field sharpening, and it confines chain-maintenance chores to the workshop.

Before you start, make sure the saw is steady and the work area is well lit. If the bar teeters up and down, place a wood block under it for support. Check to make sure the chain is properly tensioned. If you're unsure of the correct procedure, consult your owner's manual. The chain should be snug against the bar but still pull easily around by hand. Loose chains wobble during filing, and they cause bar, chain and sprocket damage during operation.

Because you'll be working around razor-sharp cutting edges, leather gloves are a filing necessity.

* Use the right tools If you're holding it correctly, a proper-diameter round file simultaneously restores the three different angles of a saw-chain cutter. Different-sized chains and different cutter styles call for different file diameters. It is vital to use the right size file.

In general, 1/4- and 3/8-inch-pitch, low-profile chains call for a 5/32-inch file; 0.325-inch-pitch chains require a 3/16-inch file; and standard 3/8-inch-pitch and 0.404-inch-pitch chains demand a 7/32-inch file. Beware, however, because many exceptions exist. For example, some brands of standard 3/8-inch-pitch chain require a 3/16-inch or 4.5-mm file. Check your chain-saw owner's manual or saw-chain instruction sheet to determine the correct file diameter. If you're not sure, ask your dealer. He also may have literature showing the proper filing angles and special procedures for your chain.

Getting the angles exactly right is not as important as removing all damage from the side plate and top plate and making sure the critical top corner is really sharp. However, for good results, you must consistently hold the file at the correct height and orientation within each cutter. This is difficult to do without some type of file guide.

Like most tools, simpler is better when it comes to file guides. The best guides are plates that drop over the chain. These keep the file at the right height and attitude and have witness marks to show proper top-plate angle alignment. The best thing about this type of guide is that you can see what you're doing. Guide plates that clamp to the file and rest on the cutter top plate also are good, but they tend to obscure your view of the cutter. Whichever guide you select, make sure you get the right model for your chain.

* Perfect your sharpening technique Place the file guide over the cutter, lay the file on the guide and align it with the witness marks. Now you're ready to stroke the file. If you're using a clamp-on-the-file guide, lay the guide plate on top of the cutter and align its witness marks with the guide-bar plane.

Now you're ready to actually sharpen the chain. Hold the file with both hands. File from inside the cutter to outside using full strokes. Apply light pressure and let up on the return stroke. Remember, a file only cuts in one direction. Your file guide is working properly if about 20 percent of the file diameter is above the top plate. This is very important. File all the cutters on one side of the chain first (for example, all of the right-hand cutters), then file the other side.

If the file is too high, it will put a back slope on the cutter, as will a file that is too large. Back-sloped cutters do not feed properly. This is the kind of chain that you must force to cut. A different problem can result from files held too low or files that are too small: they create "hook." Hooked cutters are dangerously aggressive at first but dull quickly. Using the proper size file and file guide eliminates these common sharpening errors.

File each cutter until you've removed all signs of damage. Remember, the uppermost corner must be truly sharp and defined by a thin chrome edge. Make sure right- and left-hand cutters are equally sharp and that their top plates are similar in angle and length. If not, the chain is likely to pull to one side when cutting.

* Don't forget the depth gauges Look at the cutter top plate. Notice how it slopes down to the rear. This slope, or clearance angle, assures that the critical corner is always the highest point. As the cutter is filed back, the corner gets lower and lower.

To offset this gradual reduction in cutter height, you must file the depth gauge periodically. Otherwise, the clearance between depth gauge and corner becomes too small, and the chain will not "bite." This is another way chains lose their self-feeding characteristics.

After several sharpenings, it's time to check the depth-gauge setting. Standard depth-gauge jointing tools are available for this purpose. However, some file guides double as a depth-gauge tool and already are pre-set for your chain's recommended depth-gauge clearance.

If you're using a standard depth-gauge jointing tool, you will need to know your chain's recommended depth-gauge clearance. Let's say it's 0.025 inch. Now, find the corresponding slot on the depth-gauge jointing tool. Place the tool over the chain, making sure its top surface rests squarely on the top plates. Slide it so that a depth gauge appears in the slot labeled ".025".

If the depth gauge protrudes above the slot, it's too high. Lower it using a 6-inch flat file. Stroke from inside the cutter to outside. Keep filing until the depth gauge is flush with the top of the slot. Repeat this sequence until all the depth gauges are the correct height. Remove the tool and complete the job by rounding the leading edge of each raker.

Make sure you don't file the depth gauges too low. This will create an overly aggressive, rough-cutting chain that's apt to slip the clutch. It also increases kickback risk and causes premature wear on the chain, bar and sprocket.

For best results, always follow the manufacturer's recommendations. It's all in a day's work for those who understand the principles and use the right tools. A properly maintained chain saw is one of the most efficient and satisfying tools you will ever handle

Hope this helps and ... there is nothing better than a hand filing. If you are in a hurry use a file o matic

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T_Bone

12-12-2002 10:21:52




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to Ludwig, 12-12-2002 09:32:03  
Hi Ludwig,

The only dumb question is the one that never gets asked!

Take a drill bit and place the smooth end on the existing curve of the tooth or called the rake. Match that curve and it'll be 3/16", 7/32" or 5/32" and that is the size of file/stone you need.

T_Bone



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cannonball

12-12-2002 09:28:11




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 Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-11-2002 15:35:35  
T-Bone have been using one for years and yes it still works, when have a bad chip use file and then diamond sharper..thanks for information on where to get another..i use mine without guide just like file..thanks again..have nice day may god bless



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Jimbo

12-12-2002 08:52:02




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 Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-11-2002 15:35:35  
I use a carbide burr the same diameter as a chainsaw file with a 1/4" shank. I used to run it in an electric drill but have since bought a straight electric grinder ($14 new at the flea market) that runs at 25,000 rpm. I simply line the burr with the original angle on the chain tooth no guide needed. Ensure that you work from the correct side of the chain so that you grind "away" from the sharp edge. I use a 16" blade and have sharpened them until they need replacing due to stretching with no spparent wear on the burr. You can also apply pressure without fear of breaking the burr. Normal safety precautions are required.

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Captain.n/e,Mo.

12-12-2002 05:16:15




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 Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-11-2002 15:35:35  
I have one similar to what you described. I got at the farm and home a few years ago.
I found that it works great for just touching up a chain ,or putting a real good edge on it .But it is way too slow cutting to work down a nick from a rock or nail.



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Rod MI

12-11-2002 22:39:25




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 Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to T_Bone, 12-11-2002 15:35:35  
Hi T_Bone how do you now when the chain is dull? I now it sounds dumb but I never replaced my chain and I think its still good Rod MI



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Thanks !

12-12-2002 07:32:25




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to Rod MI, 12-11-2002 22:39:25  
Thanks



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Slowpoke

12-12-2002 00:11:48




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to Rod MI, 12-11-2002 22:39:25  
Rod MI When the chain's sharp, it goes thru a 6" stick of wood in 4-6 seconds. When it's dull it'll take 30 seconds or more and start smoking and steaming if the wood is green.



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T_Bone

12-12-2002 01:14:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw Sharpening in reply to Slowpoke, 12-12-2002 00:11:48  
Hi Rod MI,

Also the cut chips will be very small and fine on a dull chain. A sharp chain will throw large slivers(shavings) out.

T_Bone



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