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Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use.

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Charles Park

12-10-2002 13:07:47




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What size of air compressor do I need to run a sand blaster? I recently bought a 40 lb. size sand blaster. My pancake compressor would not take the load. Any thoughts?




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CD

12-11-2002 15:37:26




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 Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Charles Park, 12-10-2002 13:07:47  
I too had this problem. I have a 50# pressure blaster w a 1/8" nozzle. It requires 15 cfm @ 90 psi with that size nozzle. The bigger the tip the more cfm. I went to the sand blaster supply house and asked them what commpressor to use. The suggest a rotary screwtype for pressure on demand. The price of those is really expensive. I did find a couple models of compressors that will produce enough cfm to carry the blaster. Ingersol rand make a two stage 240v 5 hp 14.7 cfm @90psi for $999 at sears. I oppted for a Quincey that does 16 cfm @ 90 psi for $1200. Good luck

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DumOleBob

12-11-2002 07:42:31




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 Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Charles Park, 12-10-2002 13:07:47  
Not to be a smart A^*, but as almost always - the bigger the better! Course it all depends on how much you'll use it, how often & for what.I've never had a compressor that I thought was just too big.


Suggest you use the link below or otherwise log on to TP Tools: http://www.tiptools.com

Look over their Web site & also call their Customer Service/Tech people. A totally helpful outfit & as good as they come in small non-heavy, industrial blasting.

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LarryG

12-11-2002 04:28:58




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 Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Charles Park, 12-10-2002 13:07:47  
I bought an 80 gal , 220 V, 6.5 hp compressor from Home Depot and it just keeps up with my 40# sand blaster from HF (which keeps eating 3/8" ball valves on the nozzle) It alson runs my syphon feed blasting cabinet from Sani-Blast.



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Tom

12-10-2002 17:18:59




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 Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Charles Park, 12-10-2002 13:07:47  
One of my future projects (probably distant future) is to make a compressor out of an engine and power it off the pto of the WD allis I am working on. For most other uses I find the small, maybe 4 or 5 cu ft per min compressor in the shop does well enough for blowing dirt out of parts, inflating tires, running an air tool intermetently, etc. But sandblasting, that is a different story, you almost can't have too much volume, I would guess 10 cu ft at 90psi would be a minimum, but probably adaquate for anything short of sandblasting a whole tractor or some other big project like that.

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Farmered

12-11-2002 04:57:04




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 Re: Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Tom, 12-10-2002 17:18:59  
Tom Have you considered using a V-8 engine for a compressor? You use one bank for the power and the other four for the compressor. I've seen several of these on tire service trucks. They put out a lot of air. Ed



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Skinner

12-11-2002 04:00:48




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 Re: Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Tom, 12-10-2002 17:18:59  
Companies have used the 302 and 351 Fords forever by converting them to 4 power cylinder s and 4 compressor cylinders. I've worked on a few but it's been years ago. I can't remember exactly what they changed. I remember the Compressor head was different because it had reed style valves, and the intake was modified, and I think the firing order was slightly modified.

Standard head and valves should work although not as well as reed or plate valves. I thought some about building one but all I have is a 3.0 Ford Aerostar V6 and it's fuel injected so it would be a real pain to convert over, and 3 clinders wouldn't run very smooth. Doing it like you mentioned and using the entire engine for the compressor would be pretty neat and I'm curious how it would turn out. Let us know when you finish up.

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Skinner - Forgot

12-11-2002 04:07:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Skinner, 12-11-2002 04:00:48  
Remembered why - You will use twice the horsepower and only pump 1/2 the air because of the 4 cycle engine, however remove the valves and install check valves or some other type of valve, you would double your output because you will then pump on every stroke.



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werkstat

12-11-2002 19:17:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Skinner - Forgot, 12-11-2002 04:07:49  
Linde Co from NJ uses a Mopower 318. About 1980 we traded our Leroy on one,running full time the braker would get so hot the men couldn't hang on to it. If you do this you have to balance the fly wheel or it will dance allover the place. I'm glad ours passed on.



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Not Bad

12-11-2002 04:39:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Skinner - Forgot, 12-11-2002 04:07:49  
If my math is correct, A 350 cu-inch Chevy engine powered of a PTO at 540 would do 54 cfm.

350 cu x 0.000579 = 0.203 cubic feet

0.203 cubic feet x 540 RPM = 109 cfm

(4 Cycle engine means divide by two)
109 cfm / 2 = 55 cfm

You will have to do temp. corrections for scfm.
(520 / Outlet temp F + 460 ) * cfm = scfm and would be roughly 35 to 38 scfm "if" the discharge was around 300 F.


It will be running at 11 ratios if you use 150# which means it's going to build lots of heat but your water cooled but will need some sort of air cooler.

Hp = 22 hp * Ratios * mmscfd (million standard feet per day)

50cfm * 60 minutes * 24 hours = 72,000 cfd

22hp * 11 * .072 = 17.4 hp.

That formula is using teflon rings, 2 cycle, and reed plate valves so the auto engine will be much less effecient and will use slightly more HP. I don't have the actual HP formula for air compression.

Very workable, someone care to double check my math?

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dunderman

12-11-2002 07:52:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Not Bad, 12-11-2002 04:39:01  
Hey Skinner, you are right on the money..... ..

Using a standard 350 cu inch motor, you will always draw in 129.8 cubic feet per minute of air at 540 RPM, which when you multiply by an Isothermal Constant (located in Machinery's Handbook 25th Edition), to maintain 90 PSI, you would require 16.35 HP (no jacket cooling). Temperature will cause some big problems if cooling is not done and compressor is run for extended periods of time.

I have a friend who made a setup on three-point frame for his tractor. He used a small diesel engine with intercooler/turbo and an electric clutch - all salvage parts. He basically used the intercooler/turbo to preload the cylinders with air, which translates into more efficient and cooler air supply output, and rigged a pressure switch to the electric clutch on the pto to run the engine when pressure drops occur, etc. He ran the pressurized manifold into a 50 gallon tank. The thing was enormous and he used it extensively in his construction business. The horsepower calculation is also located in Mach. Hanbook, but it is much easier to just use the chart.

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JoeK

12-10-2002 13:25:28




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 Re: Sand blaster and size of air compressor to use. in reply to Charles Park, 12-10-2002 13:07:47  
Over the years I've had several setups.MY general rule of thumb,appx 10cfm@90psi,will run most air tools and smaller tipped blasters adequately.This would equate to roughly a 5hp single stage as minimum requirement.Bigger is better yet.If cost wre not a consideration,I'd prolly be runnin a 7.5hp 2 stage,instead of the 6hp,80gal single stage I've got now.



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