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Home Made Gas Compressor

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Richard Fazio

12-06-2002 06:06:47




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I'm building a gas powered compressor. I've got the major pieces mounted and There is one thing I'm wondering. On the commercial units do they idle the engine down and use a centrifical clutch to disengage the engine once the tank is full? I can't imagine how else to stop over pressurising the tank unless they just shut the engine down once full. Anyone have a gas unit out there?




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Fred OH

12-08-2002 19:53:38




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 Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 06:06:47  
Yep....and heres how mine operates: unloader valve raises and lets air pressure go to the head of the compressor to probably hold open reed valves so it won't make more air. This line is tee'd and the other side goes to a small air cylinder attached to the carburator linkage that pulls the throttle back to idle. It's just a small piston affair with an o-ring seal in it. Then when pressure drops below unloader valve setting....spring closes it and throttle jumps open before reed valve mechanism gets closed, or maybe they are at the same time....I'm not sure....but the Kohler engine jumps right back up to speed. L8R....Fred OH

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Skinner

12-06-2002 16:52:38




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 Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 06:06:47  
I have about 60 or 70 air compressors that are on the back of my mechanic's trucks. The are all gas powered (except for a couple which are vehicle engine driven). I have the following configuratons....

1) Unloader that leaves the engine running the same speed no matter what and it simply keeps the compressor from building more pressure.

2) Same as above, but the unloader controls the engine speed (Honda). They simply loosen the screw that holds the center of the manual speed lever so it moves freely, then ran a small linkage to the unloader valve. Works great.

3) I/R and Kohler has the same set up above in #2

4) Electric clutch with a pressure switch, same goes as #1, engine always wide open.

5) Vehicle Engine driven. Electric clutch on compressor, solenoid on vehicles throttle, and truck engine speeds up when more air is needed. Same with the hydraulic crane with the Engine driven hydraulic pump.

6) Old SpeedAir that has two pop off valves side by side and the engine and compressor always runs. When excessive pressure builds up they simply vent it off.

Everyone's favorits are the Honda and the Kohler Magnums.

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running unloader, Philip

12-06-2002 08:17:35




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 Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 06:06:47  
They use what is called a running unloader. They are made by control devices. They have all kinds of options for gasoline powered air compressors. You should contact them. You can purchase the parts at Graingers. Contact me if you need more info. Philip.



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Richard Fazio

12-06-2002 11:02:12




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 Re: Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to running unloader, Philip, 12-06-2002 08:17:35  
Thanks for the info guys. I would think just unloading it is kind of undesirable. You would still have the engine running at the same speed though unloaded. I would put in the unloader but still like to idle it down some how. I see pictures of a honda gas powered unit that looks to have some device on the pressure line with a cable to the engine. I was thinking it was to idle it back. It may be just to shut it down?

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Ludwig - another thought

12-08-2002 08:17:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 11:02:12  
Maybe you could use a pressure switch. Tank reaches preset pressure, starts pressuring the switch which lowers the idle on the engine. At the same time your unloading valve is taking away the weight of the compressor so that the motor isn't killed by the load. As pressure goes down the engine powers back up, load is restored through the compressor.
Seems like you could make up some sort of a plunger arrangement to the throttle. Getting it calibrated would be tricky but once it was working it seems like it shouldn't change much.

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Bob

12-06-2002 07:46:22




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 Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 06:06:47  
Unloader valves are available from industrial supply sources that dump the output of the compressor when desired tank pressure is reached.



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Dusty

12-06-2002 06:40:12




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 Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 06:06:47  
I've seen two ways.
1- When up to pressure the valve in the compresser is held open, so it doesn't pump. This is also done on large electric compressors where they don't to start and stop the motor.

2- The pressure switch stoped (killed) the engine.

Dusty



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Ben in KY

12-06-2002 06:35:49




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 Re: Home Made Gas Compressor in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-06-2002 06:06:47  

The gasoline powered compressors I have used have an unloader valve on the compressor. I have not torn down or repaired one of these though. I think it opens the compressor outlet up when the tank pressure reaches its set pressure. This makes the compressor easy to spin since it is no longer compressing. Ths units did not seem to idle down though.

Just my observations, not an expert on this subject.

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