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Lucas

12-05-2002 10:01:40




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I a planning to build a shop in the next couple of years to put my tractors and combine in. What are some ideas or suggestions that you guys have. I want the shop to be heated and be able to hold about 6-7 tractors and a combine and have plenty of storage space and room to work. Thanks




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Ludwig

12-09-2002 15:41:08




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 Re: Barn Ideas in reply to Lucas, 12-05-2002 10:01:40  
Another thought, especially if you're planning radiant floor heat, and doubly especially if your shop is near the house is solar hot water heating.
Everything I've read states that solar water heating will give 20-30% return year after year and most systems are good for at least 30 years.
I have a friend who has it and even during the coldest winter days with temps below zero the panels pull in heat. It doesn't have to be sunny, the panels just have to be uncovered. When he goes on vacation, particularly in the summer time he has to leave the circulation pump on all the time or it will burn the coolant, it gets that hot!

My friend's system heats his residental hot water which is also used in his heat. I don't see why the same system couldn't be used in a nearby shop.

One thing to remember though is that water is heavy. My friend is having to get his panels relocated to the ground because his roof isn't strong enough to take the load. I blame alot of this on the scuzball contractor that installed the system and didn't reinforce the roof or mount on the ground in the first place.

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Laurel Creek

12-05-2002 20:15:06




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 Re: Barn Ideas in reply to Lucas, 12-05-2002 10:01:40  
Echo Dennis' message. Never big enough. I bought a farm in Eastern Kentucky. It has an old tobacco barn (which is rotted severely.) I needed a garage close to the house as there was none. I settled on a 32x40 kit. Built it ourselves (help from my wife and kids.) I divided a third of the garage back for shop (16x32) which seemed big enough. I know have it filled with three vehicles and the shop is too small. I insulated all of the walls and put in ceiling tile in the shop. Will blow in insulation over the shop this summer. To keep cost down, I did not put in heat and regret it today. Next time, radiant floor heat. Total cost (including grading, block, electrical service and concrete pad) $12,000. All other construction done on site by my family.

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Dave in Iowa

12-05-2002 14:54:57




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 Re: Barn Ideas in reply to Lucas, 12-05-2002 10:01:40  
RE: Heat
A friend talked me into installing hot water radiant heat in the floor of my 36x53 MOrton building. Morton offers a great insulation package and a good heat system seemed to make sense. I installed the whole system myself after the local plumbing supply house drew a plan out for me. Its really not difficult if you can sweat copper pipe. I use a 50,000 BTU boiler (but could have used a residential hot water heater I think. The radiant heat system heats the objects in the shop, not the air. So when I open the large overhead doors I don't loose all my heat and the recovery is very fast. Last time I measured during heating season it was 2 degrees cooler at the 12' ceiling height than at floor level (try that with forced air). In the coldest months last winter in Iowa it cost me about $25 to keep the shop at 68 degrees. Drive a snowy tractor in the snow melt and by morning is all evaporated. It's a GREAT system!

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Dave In Iowa

12-06-2002 07:09:05




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 Re: Re: Barn Ideas in reply to Dave in Iowa, 12-05-2002 14:54:57  
Ben,

My shop system runs off nat. gas. Although we live in the country we got lucky enough to have a nat. gas pipeline running across the front of the property which feeds the nearby town. When they installed it they also laid in a low pressure line we could tap into.

I have a semi-finished basement which is a walk-out with lots of glass and faces north. It was always chilly down there. As much as I like the radiant heat, the basement floor was poured and the family room carpeted. To solve the problem using my new favorite heat source, I installed a second water heater in the basement and installed two Twin-Flo heater units (see link)in the wall of the family room ( the back side of this wall was unfinished space)and one in the spare bedroom. I used the recessed verticle installion panel shown under installation kits on the web site. Put in two pumps and two T-stats (one in family room, one in spare bed room). When the T-Stat calls for heat it turns on the appropriate pump. When the heater unit senses 120 degree water in the coil it turns on the fan. Cool air is pulled off the floor and warm air is vented up. A very nice retrofit!

A friend has a beautiful BIG newer home. He said the master bedroom and master bath were always cold (like max 60 degrees in winter). Luckily the basement was unfinished. I worked with him to run PEX radiant tubing between the joists under these areas (about 900 sqft), then we added another 40 gal water heater (propane), a pump, a T-Stat and control and then insulated the joists areas (important). His system works GREAT! He likes it so well (says he loves stepping into the walk-in shower now that the floor is warm), that he is considering piping under the whole first level of his house. We'd have to change the water heater to a boiler to cover that much area, but he loves the heat.

Let me know what you are looking to do and I might be able to help a bit. I get my tech info from the local plumbing wholesaler. But if you have a fax I could fax you a basic plubing and wiring diagram (hand drawn)sometime next week.

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Ben in KY

12-05-2002 17:30:38




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 Re: Re: Barn Ideas in reply to Dave in Iowa, 12-05-2002 14:54:57  
Hey Dave, I am interested in your radiant heating system for your shop. What type of fuel does the boiler use ? How is your shop insulated. I might even consider putting this type of system in my home basement, which is currently unfinished.

Thanks
Ben



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Dennis Benson

12-05-2002 10:55:03




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 Re: Barn Ideas in reply to Lucas, 12-05-2002 10:01:40  
No matter how big you build it it will never be big enough.

I started building one as soon as the ground thawed in 2001, it is 24 by 24 in my back yard on a small city lot, it will be taking me several years, too, because I'm disabled. This year I got the trusses built in place, and the front and back drive through doors built in place, and got the fiberglass around the top. In 2003 I'll get the steel on the roof. I have room behind it to park, too.

If you build a large building, you can partition off part as a heated shop, then you won't have to heat as much. If this is a shed building, long and narrow, you can build an extra wall and have one or two stalls heated. If it's a rectangular building you can partition off a corner, and have several entrances from the outside, and even have a second drive through door to drive from the storage to the shop. A door that works good inside to drive from heated area to unheated area are overlapping strips of conveyor belting. I saw this in a meat packing plant between the freezer at 40 below zero and the meat cutting area at about 40 above zero. I also saw it in a small engine repair shop I worked for between the shop which was around 65 to 70 and the storage that was outside temperature, down to zero. They also use this in grocery stores, but they don't use the cheaper conveyor belting, they use expensive vinyl.

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