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Steve B

12-04-2002 14:50:33




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Can any one tell me how to vent a barrel stove in a pole barn? I went to the hardware store and they tried to sell me stainless insulated pipe at 90.00$ a 3' peice. I can't afford that. My barn has 8'walls with a 4' eve. the walls are 3/4 T1-11. I'm looking for an economical way to do this. I have a bunch of 6" galvinized stove pipe with elbows. Whats the "cheapest" best way to do this? Thanks for any input Steve

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Tim, Ohio

12-05-2002 08:59:59




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
Steve,

Whatever you decide to do keep this info
in mind. I have had two wood burning stoves
installed in my homes. It is important to have your chimney at least two feet higher than
the ridge of your roof if the chimney is
within 10 feet of the ridge. Otherwise you
will not get a good draft. This info came from
the installation manual for my Vermont Castings
stove and was supported by the mason that built the chimney. Farther than 10 ft, two feet above the roof line is acceptable.

Also, be careful with chimney caps. They often
clog with creasote and reduce your draw. I only
maintain a cap in the summer to keep the birds out.

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Steve B

12-05-2002 05:00:53




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
I would prefer to vent out the side of the barn. Should I buy one 36" insulated to pass through the wall? I already purchased a firestop thimble, for insulayed to pass through.



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T_Bone

12-04-2002 20:30:23




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
Hi Steve,

Lets don't try and cheat the tinman or he'll burn down your house/shop really quick.

The stack thimble should be triple wall. Some codes allow for double wall thimble but the cost is like $15 extra for the triple wall and offers alot more protection. It extends down 6" below the roof of the closest roof combustible but not less than 12" long and extends up threw the roof level atleast 12".

The double/triple wall stack on the roof up is required to control fires from trees brushing up against the chimeny pipe. Thats a good code requirement.

From the top of the stove discharge can be single wall if code allows it. So many don't any more and reqiure double wall. Lets say you say to heII with code and as long as your running the stove theres no problem with the install cause you remember where all the mistakes are and you never exceed what could cause a fire.

Now you leave and your bother wants to use your shop while your gone. Your brother just fires off the stove full bore without knowing how bad you screwed up the install, goes in the house to get a cup of coffee, comes out when your shop is a blazing with fire. Happens all the time.

I know it cost some money up front but it'll cost you alot more if the shop burns down.


T_Bone

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Ben in KY

12-04-2002 19:11:57




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
I am not sure if your galvanized pipe is stove pipe or heating duct. I have not seen any galvanized stove pipe. Galvanized metal gives off toxic fumes when heated. I would put a good top on the pipe thur the roof with a short piece of the expenisve double or triple wall pipe downward thru the roof at least 2 feet. Make sure the wood is several inches away from the pipe. Then connect single wall pipe to the inner pipe on the double/triple wall pipe and run it to your stove. The triple wall pipe suck air up around the middle part and keep the outer portion cool where it goes thru the roof. A cap on the top to control spark exit and rain entry is a good thing. You can use metal strap hanger stock to support the pipe, just make sure it has at least a foot or so run between the pipe and any wood you hook it to. This is to allow the heat to dissipate before it gets to the wood. You can buy feedthru thimbles ? ( can't remember exactly what they are called) with a metal flange on them to get you thru the roof. Make sure the pipe extends at least 2 feet or so above the roof. If you have a metal roof this is not quite as critical. Of course if you could find an old fireplace setup from an old mobile home that would give you all the hardware you should need. This is just to give you some idea's of how it can be done. Be careful and keep the heat away from the wood.

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paul

12-04-2002 18:31:16




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
It can be kinda foolish to build this part too cheaply, as the others say. I understand Code can be a little too stuffy at times, but how much money will you have stored inside this shop, plust the building's value? A good chimney might not be very expensive at all.

--->Paul



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John - NY

12-04-2002 18:23:54




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
Make sure that the stovepipe for a wood stove is either 24 or, better yet, 22 gauge steel. I believe the code requires a minimum of 24 gauge. Vent pipe is typically much thinner.

Personally, after consulting with the contributors to this forum, I used a triple wall Class A chimney and went straight up through the ceiling and roof of my shop.

Mainly, just make sure you're not compromising safety!

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kydavid

12-04-2002 17:26:19




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
Never hurts to check your insurance. I've got Farm Bureau and they never complained about either my wood heat of my economy rigs on ducts (or barrel stove). In fact I made one for my agent.

I use a barrel stove with 6' of regular stove pipe (not that high $ stainless) going into a "plate" through the roof. Stainless on top for my shop. Stripping room (burley tobacco) is a different story. I've got a Franklin stove with 8' of regular pipe at a 45 to the wall and then 6' verticle outside. Been using it 25 years and never had a problem. Burn it really hot, too. Got 5 g can can for used oil and sweated copper pipe to drip oil into it.

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Dave Fullmer (TN)

12-09-2002 15:21:56




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 Re: Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to kydavid, 12-04-2002 17:26:19  
David, Your oil feeder sounds interesting. Do you use this to make your wood fire hotter? Also how is this set up? Can you describe it so some one else could build one.

Thanks,
Dave



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Tom

12-04-2002 15:52:12




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
The guy below is correct. Insurance company will probably not pay off in case you burn down your barn. That would make the $90 proper pipe pretty cheap in comparison. Check with your agent FIRST.



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buck

12-04-2002 15:40:05




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  

Sometime back this same question came up on one of these boards. What I have done is place the 6" inside of a 8" and the 8' inside of a 10" creating the triple wall with a 1" air space between each pipe. All pipe was scrap duct pipe.



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JoeK

12-04-2002 15:06:00




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 Re: Wood stove in barn vent question in reply to Steve B, 12-04-2002 14:50:33  
First,check your insurance,mine will not allow any solid fuel(wood/coal)unit,unless professionally installed according to Codes,which here would require triplewall class A insulated pipe from unit to x feet above roof,spark screen cap etc,etc.Bustards sent me a warning of cancellation a couple yrs ago,when agent saw a woodpile behind house while driving by.Wood was from storm damaged trees,awaiting sale.Had to let "inspector" chk house and shop for woodstove to maintain Ins.And most Ins Co will allow only UL certified stove,NO barrel/homebuilt,etc.

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