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Bob

11-29-2002 14:01:54




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Hi all, I know this question probably has appeared a million times or so, However I need some opinions. I currently have a newer Hobart handler 135, great machine, need something bigger. I'm pretty sure I can get a 220v outlet in the garage. I'm planning on welding for a career when I graduate this year, needless to say, stick welding at work has become pretty enjoyable for me. I'm am thinking about getting an older Lincoln 225, (one of those red small stubby ones), however I wasnt sure if they were ac/dc, or just dc or ac. Whats the advantages and useages of ac and dc? Was looking at an old 200 amp 4 cyl gas lincoln, huge, and only DC. I have about $500 total to spend on one, and am looking for a very versatile one so I wont need to buy another if I discover I need to ac welder when I only have dc. Any suggestions? Thank you.

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JT

11-30-2002 21:55:30




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 Re: Which Welder? in reply to Bob, 11-29-2002 14:01:54  
Bob

The welder I think Skinner is talking about is also sometimes refered to a Lincoln tombstone welder. Tombstone refers to the shape of the case (round on top). Most are AC/DC.

I got to use one in High school and later in college. Finaly about 10 years out of school I fufilled my dream of having one of my own (it replaced a AC/DC buzz box). Bought it used for $300 had another one lined up for $600. This welder will do very nicely for you and last a lot longer than the buzz box I think you are looking at.

My suggestion would be to find a used one. Used ones are availble at the upper end of your price range. New ones are about $2800.00 and have aluminum windings. ebay would be a good place to start.

LOL

JT

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Skinner

11-30-2002 08:59:46




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 Re: Which Welder? in reply to Bob, 11-29-2002 14:01:54  
I found a used Lincoln Idealarc Crackerbox that weighs about a million pounds. If I remember right I think I gave $100 or $75. Man, that is a good running cracker box and it's good for 250 amps DC and 350 AC "I think". I would have to go back and look for sure. I'm not sure what kind of buy I got but I'm pleased with it.



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Nathan(GA)

11-30-2002 18:57:36




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 Re: Re: Which Welder? in reply to Skinner, 11-30-2002 08:59:46  
If that's the one with the rotory crank to change settings, you got a good buy. And it's a dang good machine! We had one where I used to work.



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Renze

11-30-2002 06:31:21




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 Re: Which Welder? in reply to Bob, 11-29-2002 14:01:54  
There is one important factor on welders:

I dont know the right English translation, but in Dutch, it is the "inschakelduur", or how i would translate it "engaged timespan"

When this "engaged timespan" is 25%, you could, for example, within an hour, weld 15 minutes at full Ampere without overheating the machine. So when you buy a 400 ampere machine with the "engaged timespan", you can weld continously on 100 ampere for, let's say, a year or so, without overheating the machine.

This is what i am told at work,
I work at a steel construction and machinery company in the Netherlands.

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Nick

11-30-2002 06:42:24




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 Re: Re: Which Welder? in reply to Renze, 11-30-2002 06:31:21  
"Engaged Time span" I think the word you are looking for is "duty-cycle"

Nick 3rd generation Dutch



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T_Bone

11-30-2002 05:48:45




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 Re: Which Welder? in reply to Bob, 11-29-2002 14:01:54  
Hi Bob,

Simpley put, DC has better Arc control. You can also Tig weld with DC. If you would like a in depth explanation, do a search on this forum on welding as alot of good info has been already posted. If that don't answer your questions, post back and it'll get answered.

For that money, Lincoln AC/DC is a good buy.

T_Bone



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CalCan

11-30-2002 18:41:05




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 Re: Re: Which Welder? in reply to T_Bone, 11-30-2002 05:48:45  
GET a Miller portable dont get that cheap junk go to millerwelds.com and see what you think



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Bill

11-30-2002 14:25:21




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 Re: Re: Which Welder? in reply to T_Bone, 11-30-2002 05:48:45  
T_Bone: If no one else here has ever said it- THANKS!!! You are incredably experienced in the trade and you are generous in sharring your time and expertise. I look for & enjoy your posts. Many benefit from this site, few give back to the extent you do. That off my chest...I been gonna do it for some time now... Happy Holidays Bill.



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T_Bone

11-30-2002 19:22:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Which Welder? in reply to Bill, 11-30-2002 14:25:21  
Well thank you Bill,

I was very fortunate that I ran into some very skilled craftsman that was willing to teach me so I'm just giving back what was given to me.

Best wishes for all and Happy Hoildays,

T_Bone & Family

Well geezs now I gota tell a story as you brought up some memories :)

35yrs ago I'm working at Coors as a "pup" and they give me a partner from Venzuela(sp) that could not speak any english, neither can I but's thats another story. Were running a SS 12" sch10 brew pipe line on beer cooling tanks. He was carrying around a 1x2 10ft long. So I asked him what the stick was for, well pointed and jestered but we worked out the language problem, He replied it was his "measuring stick". He was never taught to read a tape measure and would mark the stick for cut length. I bought him his first tape measure and taught him to read it with-in a week. He still used that stick tho just to double check :)

Now I send him for a 90 elbow and I get that blank look. After some arm jesters and other odd ball moves I determine that they don't use 90 el's in Venzuela so he's never seen one. So I get to asking him about how the run pipe with out making any turns. He teaches me how to been 90's on straight pipe using sand and heat.

I really think that man tought me more that day than anyone else did in 35yrs as he taught me to keep it "simple".

T_Bone

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eviel boweviel

11-29-2002 15:25:53




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 Re: Which Welder? in reply to Bob, 11-29-2002 14:01:54  
the red lincoln's that you are asking about came in at least two models. 225 amp ac
225 amp ac 125ampdc
A very good friend has mine along with another just like it. I have seen him weld utility truck boxes and autobody repair with it. Also have watched him weld sch 80 pipe, 1/2 plate etc. If you learn how they are very versitle machines. He is a retired certified pipe welder who has used a lot of different machines and says the Lincoln is a good welder. He also has a diseil 400 amp welder in back of his service truck which only gets used when he is away from his shop.
To make it short a person welding can weld a wide range with a Lincoln if they have the skill.( which comes with lots of pratice)

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david

11-29-2002 17:01:23




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 Re: Re: Which Welder? in reply to eviel boweviel, 11-29-2002 15:25:53  
The red Lincoln in AC will run under $300 (depending on sales and if you can get a floor model). A Lincoln AC/DC will run about $350. Good machines, I tend to bleed Miller blue but have Lincoln AC machines in the shop. I like straight AC for down hand on steel. Tend to like DC better for cast or out of position. Learning what rods do what (and lots of practice) will let you do a lot of things no matter which welder you have.

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