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LAND and the Road Commission Please Read????????????

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Rod MI

11-25-2002 11:17:17




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Hi guys I have a question about my land. The road commission called me and wants to BUY 17ft of land on my corner lot has anyone had this happen to them? I thought they had the rights to the frontage. How do I gate the best price if I decide to sell it? How do I get a Idea of the price of the land and what kind of hassles are involved like splitting the land ext. Would you sell that chunk if it where you? At this time I have no idea on what to do. They are putting water and sewer threw the farmers field about 500ft from me sow that mite be the reason they wont the land but I defiantly don�t wont to pay for the water and sewer to go threw. Looking for sum advice thanks

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JerryU

11-27-2002 07:24:38




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
Here is the way things work in Michigan for condemnation.

1. The governmental entity has rights to condemn for reasonable public need. First they must contact you and make a reasonable offer.

2. If you refuse, they can get a court order to award them the property. Only thing they need to show the court is that it is in the best public interest. You vacate the land and turn over title immediately.

3. You can first challenge the need. If that is successful, they cannot take possession. (I am told this challenge is very seldom successful). Secondly you can challenge the offer. The seizing party needs to show via certified appraiser what the "best use" value of the land is and that the offer is made on that. That means that while the land might be empty and worth only so much as empty land, if the best use is a mansion and it is reasonable to assume you could sell the land and one could be built, the value of the property should be based on this. If you challenge, the funds in the amount of their offer must be escrowed and a court date will be scheduled. You still have to give them title to the land.

4. Once a court date is set, you have a hearing to argue over price. The court determines the price. Generally won't be lower than their initial offer, though. All hinges on best use value.

Above is what I believe to be true,HOWEVER, I am not an attorney and the above should not be construed as legal advice completely accurate. It is what I have learned from experience.

JU

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bob

11-29-2002 17:35:27




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 Re: Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to JerryU, 11-27-2002 07:24:38  
here in Ia you do as you say and have a hearing but it is value today not in futire that is considered. In case of highway going thr neighbor settled and got double what they offered so pays



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Bus Driver

11-27-2002 05:20:09




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
In NC, the first person from DOT to contact land owners is the right-of-way agent. These people have graduate degrees in lying- they are prevaricators of the first order. I don't talk with them any more. Contact the project or district engineer for your DOT. My experience is that they probably will tell you the truth- then you can make informed decisions.



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Nolan

11-27-2002 03:25:37




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
Rights of Eminant Domain vary dependong on jurisdiction. In my county, they do not have it. The state does. Normal practice around here is for the county to pretend like they do, and hope they get away with it. Often times they do. When they run up against someone who knows the law, they get stuck because the state usually will not go to bat for them.

Since the land commission has come to you about purchasing, that makes it seem likely that your deed does not have offset provisions in it for them to use. As such, they must either purchase the land or do an eminant domain claim against it.

Beware of what selling the land commision a bit of your property does to your deed! Since they do not have offsets to build a road on your land, you likely have an older deed. This is a good thing! Keeps you out of flood plains, covanants, wildlife protection and such. If you proceed with the land commission request your deed will be modified. With that modification normally comes all the baggage of current regulations.

This can become highly significant. Currently, on the little county road I live, I'm the sole property owner with an old deed. The others are large parcels of some farms that were broken up a decade or two ago. I'm the primary piece of land holding up a major road expansion (to the relief of my neighbors). I also don't have to play flood plain games because of my creek (all my neighbors do though, it's in their new deeds). I also can go and play in my creek to my hearts content (again, neighbors can't, as specified in their deeds). Basically, I can use my whole property for whatever strikes my fancy. Most of my neighbors can't do anything at all with most of their land. All because of their newer property deeds.

So be *very* carefull about selling a portion of your land. It tends to open up a can of worms you most likely don't want opened up.

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bill b va

11-26-2002 09:12:11




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  

might get some advice from real estate people you can trust . like others have said there are a lot of snakes in the grass including local , state and federal . ...look at how much that loss will devalue the rest of your property .



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Rod MI

11-26-2002 07:54:35




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
5 to 10 years it will be pretty busy corner sow I need to get a price figured out if I decide to sell Thanks for the suggestion and keep them coming



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Rod MI

11-26-2002 23:26:02




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 Re: Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-26-2002 07:54:35  
I think they wont it for a turn lane but I will have to check on that I wont a faire price + the cost of all the work involved



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paul

11-26-2002 12:07:32




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 Re: Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-26-2002 07:54:35  
Are they buying outright, or are the running an easement through your property? Very different, you need to know which. Utilities generally are easements, not outright land purchases.

At some point, they will decide they want the land, take it, and assign a value to it. To get the most $$$ for it you need to push them near this point, but not over it. That is a difficult thing to do. Some people want to be fair, some want to suck every nickel out - on both sides of the issue. Good luck. :) These deals can go very badly if you get a snooty desk-person against you in the process. On the other hand there are some caring commissions out there that will try to treat you fairly. It's a crap shoot.

You need to know what the planned use of this land is, as it can affect the compensation you get for it.

Really not much else to say until you get more info.

--->Paul

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Green_in _MI

11-26-2002 07:42:22




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
You say its a corner lot. Is it busy? Maybe the county wants to buy more right-of-way to add a turn lane. Won't they say what their plans are? It is doubtful you could get a utility trade for the ROW. Usually different agencies. I suggest you get a straight answer from the county road engineer and go from there. I would work with the county to select an independent appraisal company to give you both a idea of its fair value.

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Dusty

11-26-2002 05:44:17




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
I'm on a township board here in Michigan. MDOT buys land for road building, the county aquires the right of way, you still own the land to the center of the road. It would be a city or township that would be putting in water/sewer. Farm land here in Michigan is disapearing fast.

Dusty



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Jim in Michigan

11-27-2002 17:51:34




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 Re: Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Dusty, 11-26-2002 05:44:17  
Where are all you michigan people from? I am in the U.P ,,,,Jim



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rhudson

11-25-2002 17:54:11




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
the stories i could tell,,and have told on this site with my problems with virginia dept of transportation!

do they want it to widen the turning radius of the road?

set up a pumping station with night light?

better find out their purpose and don't believe a word they say. on the other hand, you're lucky. the state of virginia tried to take my corner by "adverse possesion"

remember, you might be dealing with snakes, don't be surprised if you get bitten.

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buck

11-25-2002 19:41:07




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 Re: Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to rhudson, 11-25-2002 17:54:11  

Now you going to give us old VDOT retirees a bad image by talking like that. Where you at in Va?



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rhudson

11-26-2002 12:52:27




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 Re: Re: Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to buck, 11-25-2002 19:41:07  
Hi buck,

i worked with VDOT also (for a couple of winters)

I'm in Halifax area.



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SEAMO

11-25-2002 15:46:05




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 Re: LAND and the Road Commission Please Read???????????? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 11:17:17  
Trade water and sewer for lifetime use.You may not need it now but some day you will.



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