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Argon CO2 Mix vs straight CO2 ???

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Alberta Mike

11-25-2002 10:05:09




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I've had a little 120V Miller Mig welder for some years now and have been very happy with it and usually I do a decent job on most welds. When I bought the machine, the salesman talked me into going with the Argon/CO2 Mix for the inert gas instead of the regular CO2. I can't really remember why I went that way but I did. Every time I need a new bottle I regret my decision since the Argon mixture is quite a bit more expensive than the straight CO2. Any comments on the advantages/disadvantages of either one would be appreciated. Plus, if a guy decided to go to CO2 alone, what modifications need to be done on the machine or plumbing?

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T_Bone

11-25-2002 16:35:50




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 Re: Mig Gas - Argon CO2 Mix vs straight CO2 ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 11-25-2002 10:05:09  
Hi Mike,

I bought a cylinder of tri-mix cover gas, 75%HE 23%AR 2%o2, so I could use one cover gas for Tig, Mig or a purge gas. Although more expensive I only have to have one gas cylinder for all my welding needs so it's cheaper in the long run. I haven't bought a cylinder lately (10yrs) so it's got to be around $75?

Here's something I wrote about cover gases last month.

Helium adds high thermal conductivity with-in the arc reducing it's density. Read this as a cheap(free) amperage increase. Increases penetration and flatens the weld bead contour.

Argon adds arc stability with shallow penetration, lowers weld spatter and removes oxides at the weld surface.

Qxygen in amounts upto 5% can be added for broading the penetration in the center of the weld bead, controls undercutting and helps improve arc stability.

Co2 can be added but has a spatter problem on most thin gauge metals and defeats my useage. O2 on the other hand enhances the tri-mix.

You will see more splatter changing to the Co2 with less penetration. If your not welding on maxmium voltage you will be. You will need a female flare to Co2 adapter about $10 ?. You will use your current flow meter. Each Co2 cylinder comes with a new gasket on a rubber band around the neck.

In the shop I can usually get away with using 15cfh flow Mig, so I don't use much.

T_Bone

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S.Ramamoorthy

08-20-2003 01:36:48




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 Re: Re: Mig Gas - Argon CO2 Mix vs straight CO2 ?? in reply to T_Bone, 11-25-2002 16:35:50  
I want to know more about the Argon CO2 mix, during welding what are the safety precautions to be taken. With regards to Safety of process & equipment ( manifold).

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Pat in BC

11-25-2002 11:52:18




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 Re: Mig Gas - Argon CO2 Mix vs straight CO2 ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 11-25-2002 10:05:09  
Mike,
I have a little Miller sidekick I use for auto body work.When I first bought it I used it with straight CO2,when it was refill time I went with the CO2/argon mix and I noticed the welds were alot nicer..they just seemed to lay down flatter and smoother.The result was alot less grinding...so in my opinion the added expense was money well spent.



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Rod MI

11-25-2002 10:25:57




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 Re: Mig Gas - Argon CO2 Mix vs straight CO2 ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 11-25-2002 10:05:09  
from what I have read CO2 is used for a different welding process you need a larger machine to use it check the like out below and sum of the welders hear can inform you better



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John M.

11-27-2002 00:48:01




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 Re: Re: Mig Gas - Argon CO2 Mix vs straight CO2 ??? in reply to Rod MI, 11-25-2002 10:25:57  
If there's anything I need, it's flatter welds. I'm using 75% argon, 25% co2. Next time I'll try T_Bone's 3 gas mix. My 80 cu. ft. tank was costing $37 to fill, so I went to a 120 cu.ft. tank. Cost: $45. Then I found a new supplier for the 80 cu. ft. tank. The cost: $19. Haven't used up the big tank yet. This is in 'Northern California' also known as 'Silicon Valley.' Thanks T_Bone, for the info!

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