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Farmer/Paul

11-24-2002 05:25:24




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After 11 years at my truck plant they are closing the doors. So In am looking to go back to school to be more marketable.

I have been welding all my life ( no papers) so I think that is were I am headed. The course is for a Welder Fitter ( cetified Plate and Pipe) Is there any one here in the trade? I am looking for a little insight into the trade.




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CD

11-24-2002 19:21:30




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 Re: Welder fitters in reply to Farmer/Paul, 11-24-2002 05:25:24  
I am a pipe fitter by trade. I graduated from the Dallas local 100 UA pipefitters/plumbers union apprenticeship program about a year ago. We have a five year apprentice program. Fitting really consists of layouts, measurements and pipe prep. I think a fitters biggest job is trying to keep his welder happy!!



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T_Bone

11-24-2002 12:14:19




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 Re: Welder fitters in reply to Farmer/Paul, 11-24-2002 05:25:24  
Hi Paul,

Pipe welders are probably the best over all welders there are. To compete your beads could be drawn on with a pencil lead without breaking the lead. That's a smooth bead!

Most jobs require "on-site" welder certification because of AWS code. The pre-cert papers will allow you to get your foot in the door but you will still need to take a test for most jobs.

So with that info, I would only get 1 type of certification then practice a bunch on my own. Some schools will allow you to attend until you certifiy so it may be to your benefit, depending on how good of welder you are, NOT to make that perfect weld until you feel "your" ready to leave. I've seen some guys stay for three or four class before they could ceritfiy and in the mean time they learned to Tig, Mig and stick weld very well.

Most pipe tests are 5G. 6" sch.40 pipe at a 45 degree angle. A pipe fitter would have an open root weld test and a Sheetmetal worker would have a backing plate test. A ironworker would have a 1" plate test in 2F, 3F and 4F.

The Sheetmetal worker welds both plate and pipe so thats why he's given a pipe test as the qualifiys him for pipe and plate with just taking one test.

Your first inspected on the root pass. This is usually called the look-out bead as most inspectors can look at the root bead and tell if your a good welder or not. So if there's many problems on the root pass, you just failed and will asked to leave.

If you pass the root "look-out" part then the inspector will leave you alone until the cover pass is put on. You again get the look-out test on the cover bead. Doesn't matter if the weld can certifiy or not, if it doesn't look pretty your shot down the drain again.

Now if you pass the cover look-out test then a weld will be certified with a bend test. You will cut three 1-1/2" test strips accross your welds at an area the inspector tells you to. You then polish the "coupons" and there given the bend test. This is a common test for plate or pipe.

Some jobs require X-rays after the certification weld. Most of these are Gov't jobs but high pressure pipe, steam pipe, gas and oil pipe welds are all x-rayed. This all depends on the job spec's on how a weld is tested.

This is a small insight to the welding trade. If you would like more info just ask.

T_Bone

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Rod MI

11-24-2002 09:36:17




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 Re: Welder fitters in reply to Farmer/Paul, 11-24-2002 05:25:24  
If no one answers your question repost at these links there is lots of current certified welders there that can help you out good luck with your certification

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Farmer/paul

11-24-2002 16:15:58




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 Re: Re: Welder fitters in reply to Rod MI, 11-24-2002 09:36:17  
Thanks for the replies.From the information I have all welds done for certification will be subject to destuctive testing as per CSA and ASSMA guidelines. Certification is given only after passing CWB on plate( Canadian Welding Bureau) and TSSA ( Technical Standards & Safety Authourity) tests on pipe.

At 43 I feel abit old to be going back to school, but with my plant closing (the company is moving the work to Mexico)I feel I need whatever edge to make my self more marketable. there are a number of plants I can hire on once i have my papers. One is a ship building facility, the other is into building platforms for large hyraulic presses and scales.

I have to getaway from the Auto industry as this is the 3rd time it has let me down.

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Dennis Benson

11-24-2002 16:38:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Welder fitters in reply to Farmer/paul, 11-24-2002 16:15:58  
At 43 you shouldn't feel too out of place. I graduated with a 4 year degree majoring in accounting when I was 46. Most of the students were late teens to early 20's, but others were my age. Like my wife, who I met going to college. I didn't get a job because I am disabled, and didn't look too good to employers.



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