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Christa

11-23-2002 16:07:22

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What is the minimum rating, minimum axle number and minimum axle rating that I need to haul a farmall super m? Also can 2 X 3500 # axles be "bumped up" by upgrading hubs, wheels and tires to 6 bolt, 16" tires? Does anyone have advice regarding minimum dimensions? Thanks!

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T_Bone

11-24-2002 11:19:04

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Re: trailer in reply to Christa, 11-23-2002 16:07:22

Hi Christa,

It would cheaper to buy new axles. New 5200lb brake axle costs about $190 eh, complete less wheels at Big Tex Trailer parts. Thats 12X2 electric brakes.7500lb were about $230 eh with 12X3" brakes?.

The backing plate and hub alone is $100.

A 20ft tandum axle would be a good size. That gives you about a 16ft deck with 8ft width or 8ft-6" depending on what your State allows.

There is a 14,500lb maximum rule for bumper pull tailers. I think thats wise to stay with-in that rule as you would need to beef up the truck frame on a typical pick-up to go much beyond that weight along with a coustom receiver. That's with a 2.5" square receiver.

If your starting from scratch, I would be looking at the gooseneck set-up. You will never have enough trailer :)

T_Bone

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Farmered

11-23-2002 21:41:51

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Re: trailer in reply to Christa, 11-23-2002 16:07:22

Check your state's towing regulations. Most states require brakes on the trailer if its weight and the load combined is over 1000 lbs.
Be sure you have the required safety chains and break-away brake switch. Good luck and be careful. Ed

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Gene Davis

11-23-2002 19:28:16

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Re: trailer in reply to Christa, 11-23-2002 16:07:22

Biggest concern here probably would be could it stop it? Braking would be as important as going for safety's sake. LGD

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kydavid

11-23-2002 17:09:28

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Re: trailer in reply to Christa, 11-23-2002 16:07:22

I would try to "bump" the axles. The rating is based not only on studs and wheels but on spindle diameters, bearings, and axle strength. Two 3500# axles will more than haul a M or Super M. I've got an 8'x20' with a 5' dove tail and two 7500# axles for farm use. I could haul 3 Super M's with axle left over. More important than trailer (assuming you are using a gooseneck) is the truck. You have to have enough to pull what you are hauling and enough to stop it.

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Christa

11-23-2002 19:38:56

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Re: Re: trailer in reply to kydavid, 11-23-2002 17:09:28

we will be pulling w/ a Ford F-250 4-wheel drive off a bumper hitch...what do you think?

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Ray,IN

11-23-2002 20:23:29

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Re: Re: Re: trailer in reply to Christa, 11-23-2002 19:38:56

An International super M weighs 5139# dry. The trailer is designed to have adequate brakes to stop it with its load if proper maintainence has been observed. Your truck has the capability and proper drivetrain to tow what you describe. There is a common misconception that the truck must be able to stop the combined load by itself, not so; again-if the trailer has been properly maintained. AH! the what if question- all emergencies cannot be prevented but should be anticipated. If the trailer brakes fail you should already be tailoring your driving to reduce your chance of being in a crash. Reduce speed, allow 3X the braking distance as usual, and foremost- drive defensively.

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kydavid

11-24-2002 19:25:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: trailer in reply to Ray,IN, 11-23-2002 20:23:29

True, if you use trailer brakes not much stress on the truck. Only problems I've ever had in 20 years of hauling were one blowout on the truck, and a dozen times of the brakes rusting on, locking up, breaking off in the hub, etc. (you get the idea). Spent a long night in Bedford, IN when the brakes shorted out and melted the wiring harnass on the trailer. Gave up on trailer brakes 9 years ago (except air brakes on the big trailers). If you're running w/o (and you state allows it, mine does) front brakes take 2/3 of the stopping, back 1/3.

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Ray,IN

11-26-2002 18:47:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: trailer in reply to kydavid, 11-24-2002 19:25:22

kydavid, Indiana requires working brakes on any trailer weighing 3,000# or more. This includes the load. For a list of state towing requirements visit your BMV.

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Carla

11-26-2002 19:19:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: trailer in reply to Ray,IN, 11-26-2002 18:47:02

Better check section 10 of 3-93 of the Indiana Commercial code for NTSB exemptions. Kentucky trucks and truck trailer combinations under 38,000# GCVWR where the truck is licensed farm and the trailer is not required to be licensed are exempt under that section of the Indiana Commercial Code while traversing that state, just like you stayed home. Most states let you run on your home states requirements as long as you are inside ICC/NTSB maximums. Illinois and Alabama being the eastern exceptions.

Carla

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Ray,IN

11-27-2002 19:36:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: trailer in reply to Carla, 11-26-2002 19:19:44

Thanks Carla! I just read the Kentucky towing laws and what a suprise. In KY you can tow without brakes or safety chains regardless of weight,doubles are allowed, and no flare kit. Next time I see a KY farmer truck/trailer I'll stay outta the way. Doesn't say much for Indiana; allowing egress of such equipment. Ya'know, there's a song about Indiana folks - whoos yer(hoosier) daddy?

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kydavid

11-23-2002 20:06:37

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Re: Re: Re: trailer in reply to Christa, 11-23-2002 19:38:56

No problem pulling one Super M. I'd use a receiver hitch, not off the bumper. Just watch following distence, especially if you don't have trailer brakes. Any rear hitch can get you in trouble as it has a lot of leverage on the truck but just the one tractor 55 or less should be ok. I'll put 25,000 behind a 3/4 ton Dodge on a goose. Have put 12,000 draw weight on a frame hitch but that's plenty. Keep your brakes in good shape, trailers put a lot of stress on front truck brakes, lot of heat builds up. I figure only about 40,000 miles on a set of front brakes on the trucks I pull stuff with.

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