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PTO log splitter

horizontal vs. vertical preferences?

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ShepFL

11-22-2002 08:42:27




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Now that house is NEARLY done was thinking of building PTO wood splitter for the new fire place with either 4 way or 6 way splitting wedge. Don't care to still be swinging a splitting maul when I am 70!!

What are the advantages of horizontal over vertical? I am thinking of building vertical unit that trailers horizontally.

Advantages of vertical unit I see are:
a) not having to lift wood - can roll them under splitting wedge
b) use the ground as additional bottom pressure point vs. only welded plate
c) use the unit as a hydraulic press for equipment repair/fabrication

Disadvantages a) no stacking capability
b) having to lift wood all the time, every time
c) no hyd. press or limited use as press
Comments welcome
Thx.

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Bus Driver

11-24-2002 13:05:14




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
There is no absolutely perfect design. My design was derived from the components I had and the wood that I expected to encounter. My cylinder is 5 1/2" dia with 39 3/8" stroke, trunnion mount. I made the splitting length for 40". The pump is driven from the PTO. I built mine horizontal with the ability to lower the beam 8" below the surface the tractor is sitting on. I can drop the beam into a ditch and easily (?) roll the big pieces onto the beam. The largest I have split is 52" dia- they do not roll easily! If I wish the beam higher, I just use blocks of wood under the beam for the desired height and lower the beam onto them. I can spike the pressure for a moment at about 3300PSI, so I get about 39 tons of force. Helps with knotty wood. Cylinders larger than 6" will really travel slow due to the great volume of oil required to fill them. They also will be quite heavy, empty and full. Use the largest cylinder rod that is obtainable. The rod on my cylinder is 2 1/2" dia. Slender rods probably will bend when extended under high loads.

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Harold Hubbard

11-23-2002 06:29:08




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
Build it horizontal,high enough so you don't have to bend over at all when you are using it. Then make a table to catch the split pieces, so you don't have to pick them up again. And finally, put a hinged table on the side, with a hydraulic cylinder under it. I did that ten years ago, and my back thanks me every time I pull the valve and lift some big ugly thing up. Any piece that I can roll onto the table extension when it's down will come up when I pull the lever. Look at pictures of some commercial units to get the idea. Some of the portable bandmills also use the same system.

As far as running off the PTO instead of a small engine, if I never again had to mess with one of those noisy, vibrating , unreliable pieces of junk, I wouldn't miss it. I have six tractors of various sizes and descriptions, and if I can't get one of them to start, then I shouldn't even be thinking about splitting wood. One warning, unless you like breathing exhaust, use a tractor with an upright exhaust, or get some hose to lead the fumes up and away from your work area.

If you have another tractor with a loader, it's real handy to stick the bucket right under the end of the splitter and catch the pieces when they come off, not quite as good as a conveyer, but better than handling them again.

A four or six way wedge will save lots of time, but you should be able to change back to a single for really tough pieces.

With the splitter as high as I recommended, you need to be very careful where you stand. I make it a habit to be beside the cylinder, rather than beside the wood. I have seen pieces fly over ten feet when they let go suddenly. Another good accessory is a pair of shin-guards.

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tim

11-23-2002 04:57:37




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
why put extra hrs on 3000 + - $ engine small 5 hp engine 350$?



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Guy

11-22-2002 18:41:48




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
I built a horizontial, pretty much copied the on Northern Hydrulics sells. I like The horizontial because I lift it nice and high on the 3 point. Its alot easier to use not having to bend over so much. I considered building a verticial, but now I just cut wood that I can handle. (Best part is listening to the tractor, not the Briggs & Stratton)



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Ben in KY

11-24-2002 18:20:27




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 Re: Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to Guy, 11-22-2002 18:41:48  
I agree on the PTO drive vs Small engine. More power and no starting problems after the splitter sets for 6 months or so and the carb gums up. Less motors to keep running. I have found that a PTO driven splitter requires almost no maintenance. just a bit of oil and grease here and there and life is good.

Ben in KY



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bobcat2

11-22-2002 17:34:31




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
Make it horizontal & vertical on a pivot. Smaller pieces being done horizontal & bigger ones vertical (no lifting). When using it vertical find a good size piece to use as a seat, saves on the back, no bending.
When using it horizontal it helps if it's waist level, again saves the back.
Bobcat



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Jerry

11-22-2002 16:23:12




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
I agree with Paul about making it work both ways. Horizontal and Vertical. It can get just as tiring being on your knees all the time. I made a basket/tray kind of thing that I welded on the side of the splitter to catch the pieces that fall off the opposite side when using it horizontal. No bending over to pick them up that way.



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Rick

11-22-2002 15:24:02




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
I built my log splitter,first I had it vertical. I changed it to horizontal. I didn't like always being bent over. I made platform for the chunk to lay on then just roll it into place. When pieces are split they fall into tray on both sides and I still don't have to bend over to pick up pieces. I stack them into trailer parked close. Make sure the ram almost hits the wedge this way you will almost always get complete splits. I used old tractor wheel lugs for the wedge. It really opens up the split. Works slick.

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F14

11-22-2002 13:00:30




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
I have a horizontal. Other fella's point about having the splitter on the ram is a good one.

Major disadvantage is having to pick up the stick of wood and put it on the splitter.

On the other hand, with a vertical, you're bending over all the time to clear the wood away from the work area.

Sounds like 6 of one and a half-dozen of the other to me.



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Ben in KY

11-22-2002 14:57:32




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 Re: Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to F14, 11-22-2002 13:00:30  
Still beats using a Maul and wedges, even with all of the bending and picking up. On the splitter wedge though, design the ram so it is fully extended just before it hits the wedge ( less than one inch ) and the pieces always just roll right off. If you leave too much space between the end of the ram and the wedge, you will have pieces stuck on the wedge when splitting gnarley wood. I have 12 inch wide aprons on the splitter on both sides of the wedge and extending about 18 inches beyond the wedge. The outside edges of the apron a bent up a bit to keep split pieces from falling off of the sides. This apron catches pieces that I have to split again. When I split the next piece it will push the previous pieces off of the apron into a small trailer I have parked behind the splitter, then off to the woodshed.

Ben in KY

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paul

11-22-2002 10:00:13




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 Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to ShepFL, 11-22-2002 08:42:27  
If you are building, put a pivot on & have both, swings down to be vertical, locks up to be horizontal. See those all the time.

The negative is that the wedge is on the ram, when you get in the 'fun' wood grains the wood will grab on to the ram. It's just nicer to have the wood push past the end, instad of the wedge pushing into the wood.

What do you mean by 4 or 6 way?

How much wood do you need in Florida, asks the guy from Minnesota? ;)

--->Paul

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ShepFL w/ pic

11-24-2002 00:08:21




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 Re: Re: PTO log splitter - horizontal vs. vertical preferences? in reply to paul, 11-22-2002 10:00:13  
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Thanks for the comments Paul. Now to your next question (hee-hee)
I doubt very much wood will be needed however I am nearly completed with new home construction. House has (are you sitting down?) get this - 3 fireplaces. 1 is dedicated LP and the others are gas/wood. I have them plumbed for LP should we decide to use that down the road.

Wood will be used initially primarily for creature comfort and looks. Tonite it is 34 out here where I live. Late Dec. early Jan is our coldest months but not for extended periods. I can let you know how much wood I use after this winter.

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