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Jerry S

11-20-2002 08:29:56




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Do the click type torque wrenches go out of calibration to any real degree? Found out that it will cost me $60 to get one checked for calibration. Could almost buy a new one for that. Which type stays in calibration better?




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Don Young

12-02-2002 21:37:38




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 Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jerry S, 11-20-2002 08:29:56  
I worked in calibration for many, many years. Others have pretty well covered your question. Bolt tightening is not a terribly precise job, generally. You can rig a calibration checker with a good ruler and either a known weight or a spring scale. A good quality ruler and pull type spring scale are generally accurate to within plus or minus one scale division, but there are exceptions. You can also pull two wrenches against each other to compare them. Neither of these techniques will, of course, substitute for a traceable calibration.

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bill b va

11-21-2002 05:41:18




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 Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jerry S, 11-20-2002 08:29:56  

you can build a checker for a lot less than that .the ones i have seen were very simple . a horizonal shaft with one end bent down to vertical and a weight on it . you simply put your torque wrench on the horizonal shaft and rotated it to move the weight from vertical toward horizonal. there must be someone out there that can tell you how to build and calibrate one .once built no calibration should ever be needed unless the earths gravity changes

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G-MAN

11-20-2002 16:55:03




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 Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jerry S, 11-20-2002 08:29:56  
That probably depends on what type of click-type wrench you're talking about. The micrometer-types with the screw on the end of the handle will lose their accuracy if tension is left on the handle for an extended period of time - they should always be returned to the released position after use. The Snap-On "TQ" click-type wrenches use a different mechanism and a small rotary dial for setting the torque. That type of wrench does not need to be zeroed after use, although I generally do mine out of habit. I have one in 3/8 (20-100 ft.lbs) and one in 1/2 (50 - 250 ft.lbs) Most of the bending-beam type wrenches I have seen have usually been a lower quality, and I question their accuracy even when new. The Snap-On Torquometer wrenches are probably the best, and they use a large dial and function somewhat like a bending beam torque wrench. But, you'll also pay for that accuracy. I have one in 3/8 (in.lbs) and one in 3/4, and they are excellent units. Between my four wrenches, I can cover from 5 inch-lbs to 360 ft-lbs, and since I use them on an almost daily basis and need to keep them accurate, I periodically have them checked and recalibrated. It's cheap insurance, and there's no such thing as a "cheap" torque wrench.

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Frank M.

11-20-2002 19:23:34




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 Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to G-MAN, 11-20-2002 16:55:03  
Learn something new every day. I didn't know they were supposed to be released after use. I just went out and did both of mine. They were last used about 3 months ago. You reckon I damaged them? We have one at work, in the tire shop, that stays set at 100 to 120 ft. lbs all the time. Guess I better pass the word along about this.
Thanks for the advice.
Frank M.



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Jim in UK

11-21-2002 02:33:21




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 Re: Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Frank M., 11-20-2002 19:23:34  
I have a Snap-On torque wrench that I bought when I was working in the garages. It's been many years since I took it out and checked, but I do hope that the last time I used it that I did set it at the lowest setting. Time in service, use, and proper maintenance are required in order to ensure the accuracy life of these type of tools. I haven't worked that I have needed to use it daily since 1985. I know I will need to get it recalibrated, and would rather not have to replace it. I have also used the Chraftsman needle and beam torque wrench. Sears gaurentees there torque wrenches to be accurate within 2% for the lifetime of the torque tool granted that they are not abused or misused . I paid around $200 dollars for my mine in 1983. That $60.00 to have it recalibrated doesn't sound too bad compared to the replacement cost.

Hey Frank M; I will be back in the states in December and will be living in Clovis in January. Wouldn't mind meeting up and having a chat. I once was offered a job on a corparate farm in the Dalhart area, (MANY years ago) but decided not to take it. It was a large farm, and when I was told what my duties and responsibilities would be. I started wondering about why I would be replacing the manager th at was there because he was starting to sound like superman without a life. Also the person offering the job was (in my own opinion) of questionable integrity.

Let me know if your interested in meeting up some time. I haven't been up that far into the Panhandle and wouldn't mind making the trip. It's been a few years, but would be willing to help you out with any tractor/equipment restorations that you might be doing.

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Frank M.

11-21-2002 17:50:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jim in UK, 11-21-2002 02:33:21  
Hey that sounds good. I'd like to meet several of the folks that post on these boards. Give me a holler when you get back to this part of the country. Some of the big corporate farms that come to mind are: National Farms, High Plains Farms, and XIT Farms. Was it one of those? All are gone now.



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bill b va

11-21-2002 06:09:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jim in UK, 11-21-2002 02:33:21  

jim where i saw the torque wrench checkers was in the AF ( see post above).in munition maintenance sqdns . do they still exist? when you relocate you will be close to texas . mule shoe tx that is



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Jim in UK

11-21-2002 07:46:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to bill b va , 11-21-2002 06:09:26  
Bill, I think I have seen something simular to what you described. It was attached to a spring gauge if I remember correctly (tensionometer) and was set to "break" at the setting that you put on it. That was many years ago, and all the torque wrenches to go to PMEL for calibration. Wouldn't have minded having one of those types of jobs. They pay big money on the outside for those skills.

Muleshoe is about 30 (I think) miles from Clovis NM on Highway 60/84. Been there and through there quite a few times. Don't know if you saw my reply to your post on the taler's board, but a 462X0 and a 2W1X1 are the same. They redesignated the specialty codes back in 94 or 95. We still use "jammers" to position munitions and equipment on aircraft. Sounded to me like you had a lot more experience with a MOLT than I ever would like to have. Had to use one once a month when I loaded to stay current. That hand operated thing could be a real pain at times. Nice catching up with you again on the board. Take care, Jim

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bill b va

11-21-2002 10:15:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jim in UK, 11-21-2002 07:46:49  

yes i saw your reply to my post about the 462x0s .i know what jammers are but what the ell is a MOLT ? about the torque wrench checkers . they were based on pure gravity .no springs . nothing to go wrong . the earliest i can remember us using torque wrenches for munition loading was on f101Bs in the early 60s and they were sent to PMEL along with our wandering watt checkers ( stray voltage equip.) for calibration .the purpose for the checkers in the shop was to check your torque wrench just prior to loading .will e mail you one day..... ..... .....bill

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Jim in UK

11-21-2002 10:36:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to bill b va, 11-21-2002 10:15:39  
A MOLT basicly is a hand powered/operated jammer. Working the F101 must've have been an interesting task. Unfamiliar with the test equipment used on it.



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Peter(NY)

11-20-2002 12:10:17




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 Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jerry S, 11-20-2002 08:29:56  
I guess the important thing is to make sure spring in the handel in not under compression (turned counter-clockwise as far as possible) when not in use. I assume that they should stay in spec that way.



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John Garner

11-20-2002 12:09:51




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 Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to Jerry S, 11-20-2002 08:29:56  
Jerry S --

Clicker-type torque wrenches can get wildly out of calibration, especially if they are stored with the release-setting adjustment over its minimum or if the mechanism is either washed free of grease or contaminated. On the other hand, a well-made and well-cared-for clicker can hold its calibration for years.

A bending-beam torque wrench will hold its calibration just about forever -- just check to be sure that the pointer is tight in its holder and points to zero with no load on the wrench, and if not, simply reset the pointer to zero. This is a quick check that can and should be made both just before and just after use.

A dial-type torque wrench is a slightly-more-complex variant of a bending-beam wrench, and will hold calibration almost as well . . . but here are more things that can go wrong with a dial-type wrench and they are thus less reliable than the bending-beam models.

Considering the overall convenience-in-use advantages of the clicker over the bending-beam torque wrench, it's worth considering keeping a bending-beam wrench around to use as an approximate standard to check the clicker against. The home check certainly won't meet ISO or NIST standards for calibration, but it provides a good sanity check to help decide if the clicker is holding its adjustment or if it needs to be sent out for repair.

John

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Richard - Snap On

11-24-2002 06:47:56




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 Re: Re: torque wrench calibration in reply to John Garner, 11-20-2002 12:09:51  
I'm getting pretty upset at Snap on. I've been buying their tools for 20 years. The last two times I've sent a Snap On torque wrench in for calibration they sent it back stating they no longer sell the service kit for them and I'll have to buy a new one! So, I did, but they weren't Snap On. I'll be dam*** if I pay that much for a tool that I can't get repaired after 5 years.

My collection goes from 5 inch pounds to 1200 ft lbs. My precision wrenches are 1% aircraft wrenches and yes, they are dial type and have "never" failed calibration. The Snap On click types have failed several times. They have been very well taken care of just like all my other tools and have been backed off each and everytime.

The last shop I work at had a calibration meter and to me surprise, my $10 Sams Torque Wrench had been holding great. I bought it to use as a large cheater more than anything else and have never backed off the spring or taken special care of it. It also uses Proto ratchet head parts!

Am I pushing cheap stuff? No, but its odd a $10 torque wrench holds up better than a $250 torque wrench!!!!

My inch lb. wrench is a MAC and it holds up fine. The only plonlems I have had are with the Snapon 1/2" drive 50#-250# and the 40#-200# click type. I noticed others must be having problems as well if they keep discontinuing them.

My son bought a digital Craftsman which he took back after a week, and exchanged it for a click type. To my surprise, it held up pretty good "so far".

The majority of our mechanics have swapped to Proto Torque wrenches and have been pretty happy with them for about a fraction of the cost as well. This has been some years ago and I don't know if this still holds true with the Stanley version.

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