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Mig and Galvanized pipe

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Richard

10-29-2002 19:42:34




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Any secrets? It spits and sputters and leaves crud all over the tip. Once I get it burning right, it seems to work sorta. It's thin wall 1-7/8 pipe I'm working with.




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john niolon

11-01-2002 10:37:20




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 Re: Mig and Galvanized pipe - What fun. in reply to Richard, 10-29-2002 19:42:34  
first let me say I don't like to weld galv at all.. the warnings about health hazard bother me.. I get out of breath tying my shoes now !!

But that being said... when I do weld galvanized material.. I take a 4.5" grinder and remove as much of the galv as I can before I strike an arc.. If it needs the coating for protection I spray with cold galv compound heavily. it seems to work for my limited use...

But, don't mess with the fumes... they can do you serious harm...

john
first class certified rod sticker, bead dauber and builder of fine porous welds.

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TimC

10-29-2002 20:38:11




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 Re: Mig and Galvanized pipe - What fun. in reply to Richard, 10-29-2002 19:42:34  
Guessing the material in the galv is interferring with the argon gas sheild. Wire brush off the galv and dont breath the fumes.



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T_Bone

10-29-2002 23:36:17




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 Re: Re: Mig and Galvanized pipe - What fun. in reply to TimC, 10-29-2002 20:38:11  
Hi Richard,

Tim's got that right. Don't breath the fumes. A trick I learned many moons ago is to turn your welding hood at an angle on it's side. The smoke hits the side of the hood and rolls up. This keeps the fumes from going inside your hood and your lens cleaner. A good exhaust hose is the best and required by OSHA and a great idea but still turn your hood.

Without more info: been helpful to know what your doing with the pipe (seal weld, certified weld, structure weld, etc)? welding equipment available? I'll assume your seal welding the pipe and your welding more than a few pieces.

The problem your having is your using Mig on 1-7/8" tin wall pipe. 2" pipe is to small to Mig or stick weld for most applications and do it well. If Your stuck with Mig then use a slicon bronze filler wire. Runs much smoother without alot of splatter and tip plug up. Try atleast 35cfh of Co2 and use a #5 cup. Precleaning the galvanized is not required with this method.

My first choice would be carbon arc with a 1/8" silcon bronze filler rod. Again no galvanized prep required. DCEN using a normal rod holder. The carbon electrode will have a copper jacket around it. Remove some copper by pealing with your finger nail about 3/4", then sharpen the black carbon to a fine point. You start the carbon electrode directly on top of the filler rod, when the carbon tip becomes cherry red then raise the carbon just a tad and the slicon bronze will run like butter. Very fast and smooth. A good weld to about 36,000 tensil.

If your doing a few pieces do just what Tim suggested, grind off the galvanized. Run alittle hotter but alot faster. Start at the top center and weld down hill to the bottom center then do the other side. Co2 would be a better cover gas.

T_Bone

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Richard

10-30-2002 04:07:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Mig and Galvanized pipe - What fun. in reply to T_Bone, 10-29-2002 23:36:17  
We cut up a trampoline frame and used the material to build some hunting racks for the Jeep. We are currently working on a rear, slide in rack for the hitch. The ole boy tacked everything up with 6010 then brought it over to mig up. The best welds are on the raw joints, but any place that he welded with 6010 came out like mud dobbers. On the raw material, I noticed if I turned the heat up and weld quickly then drag back before moving forward,(Push and drag) the drag back left a nice weld, Looked almost like it was brazed. Penatration was good, it left a bead inside and out on the pipe.

I guess the 6010 brought allot of trash (zinc and such) to the surface and the mid and argon did not like it. It looked as if you ran out of argon with the small holes everywhere and kind of piled up.

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Cliff Neubauer

10-30-2002 06:07:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Mig and Galvanized pipe - What fun. in reply to Richard, 10-30-2002 04:07:22  
I've never had very good luck welding over stick welds with the MIG even if I grind the old welds down first. I've found running more heat on galvanized metal helps.



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