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Jay

10-29-2002 18:32:49




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I was wondering if I could become a farmer if my parents don't farm. We used to farm until I was about 12, because then my parents split up, but ever since then I wanted to farm. I was thinking about going to college for that, but I don't want to waist my time and money if it will never work out for me. What do you guys think?




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Don't know much 'bout farmin' but...

11-03-2002 14:57:30




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
Check out www.newfarm.org Seems like a very helpful/supportive site for the beginner. Best of all, it's from the Rodale Institute(the guardians of organic/sustainable growing methods).



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Kevin

10-30-2002 14:26:13




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
You can do it just because mom and dad no longer farm doesn't mean you can't a few years ago when I started everyone thought I was insane including my wife but heres my story after working on all the families (different relitives) farms and one by one watching them sell out(my dad city boy and mom left the farm as soon as she was able(17))I knew it's what I had to do.So after watching all the family and talking to every farmer, person in the AG industry that I could get to spare 5 Min.read everything I could get my hands on I did what they were not. I searched for a motivated seller of a farm I thought would work me forabout 2 years(my good luck and their bad luck they were going through a nasty and messy divorce)it was in good cond. and way under priced (100 acres with 4 bedroom remodled 1920'sfarmhouse insulated barn and a few other out buildings new fences and recently reworked hayfeild for 90,000) then I started looking for machinry that would work for me I bought all Stuff that needed a little work when my neighbors saw all that old junk out working they started bringing me theirs for repairs,when I said I did what they wern't I'm done With 2nd crop hay before they start 1st crop I subsoil every other year I rotational graze and I test my soil so I'm not wasting money I live in a region that is known for maybe getting two crops of hay and I get four plus bale the excess in my pastures (my neibors are starting to follow my example)then I found a few cows that were in my budget and a neihbor that needed to seperate a bull for a few weeks so I kept his bull in return for breeding my cows now I'm workig on a breed up program and its comming along I do custum work and my dad (cityboy who wanted too have me commited for wanting to farm) now works for me fulltime.but during all this I did work part time off the farm and my wife works off the farm full time(mainly for the benefits and I think we would kill each other if we were together ALL the time She never lets me buy anything without a fight. Oh well thats what I get for trying to explain farm economics to a Acountant)anyway to get off my soapbox my point is if you want it do it thers always a way you just have to find it and don't let anyone discourge you good luck Kevin

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12-12-2002 02:35:12




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kraig WY If you have theWant to

10-30-2002 10:17:46




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
If you have the ambition and work hard enough you can do it. That's whats nice about this country. You can do anything you want, you are your own limiting factor.

A degree in Ag will come in handy on your business plan you provide for the bank or gov. agency you're gonna have to deal with.



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Jason

10-30-2002 04:56:24




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
Jay, my whole family on both sides farms except for my Mom and Dad. I never stepped on any of their farms to work until I was a Freshman in college. I worked on several very large hog operations doing a bit of everthing and some medium sized grain farms to pay for school. From then on I was hooked j- ie. its like a virus that I don't think I'll ever shake. When I got out of school I decided I wanted to try the farming bit also. I'll admit I had a pretty good engineering job to back my "hobby" at this point, but I went in with the mindset that I would give it one year (raising hogs) and see what happened. I worked a lot of extra hours for little or nothing when the checks came in - but the point of it all is I LOVE to go to the barn and mess with those darn pigs (even though my wife says I complain all the time about em')! Good luck in what you try to do and talk with your local extension agent they can really be a help when it comes down to it for making decisions on what to do. But believe me, if I a had a nickel for everytime someone told me I was an idiot for raising pigs and not coming from a farm, I could have bought 100 acres or more! I just graduated two years ago and only been doing it for two years - so there is my level of experience - lots of guys on this forum with many many times more experience. Bottom line is: get a degree, it means a lot more than a piece of paper to a great deal more people than you think. Good luck!!

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Paul

10-30-2002 04:17:11




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
Jay, a degree in something like plant and soil science could be a good way to start. You will have other options if the farm does not happen for you. I worked on golf courses during college and as an engineer and a chemist since graduating. The courses required for my Plant and Soil degree gave me many choices.



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Dennis Benson

10-29-2002 20:23:12




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
I tried a little farming in the 1970's without any experience. I raised corn and pigs and did pretty badly, but I learned a lot. I've done some seasonal work for farmers, here in Michigan not too far from Lake Michigan I've worked on apple, grape, and asparagus farms. As as suggested before, get some experience. Also, an education is always good, with an AG degree you can get a good job as a manager even if you don't use the degree for yourself. Be sure to learn business, too. I got a business degree when I was 46, and wondered why I didn't get one earlier. The business training, even as a minor to the AG degree will help you understand the numbers, my major was accounting, but a minor in management will give you enough feel for the numbers and will touch on all the other disciplines of business like economics, marketing, finance. Mechanic knowledge is helpful, too. In 1971 I got a certificate in automotive repair and used it a lot rebuilding engines. If you work your way through college by working on a farm, you can buy a run down tractor that will be sufficient to work the farm, and take your time with the project and make a very good tractor out of it for when you are ready to use it. It will be like making payments, but only when you can afford to make payments, no lender will agree with those terms, but you will save a pile of interest. Biggest hint of all, avoid student loans.

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Bill Smith

10-29-2002 20:02:48




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
By reading your message I assume your family has been totally out of farming since you were 12. This simply means you will be starting out totally from scratch. No using dads equipment and no farming grandma's land. This makes it alot tuffer to get into farming versus stepping into it by inheritance so to speak. Most farmers in my area either stepped into it from an existing farming family or they have a day job and farm as a hobby. I am a younger person myself and work for a large farmer during the day and I own a small chunk of ground and raise cattle on a small scale basis when I am off the clock. I hope to some day own more land and have a bigger cattle operation and make my sole income from that but it has sure been a slow ladder to climb so far. There is so many different types of farming a guy can do and I am not sure what area you are looking at, whether it be dairy farming or row crop or hog farming or what. If I was you I would get a job for a couple years with a larger all around farmer that best fits into the area of farming you wish to consider. The reason I say all around farmer is so that you can see how a bigger operation, that does a little of everything, works and may help you decide just what kind of farming you want to do. Then go to school if neccesary. You might decide you want to do something else by then. Farming is a good life if you enjoy it. It requires alot of money to get started in farming which puts a kink into college expenses becuase if you decide to farm, you need every dollar you can get a hold of and paying that student loan off may be a problem. In my area I can see corporate farming taking a bigger part and that makes it tuffer for a smaller independent farmer who is trying to make it on his own. You may want to consider focussing on one type of farming and get big in one area of farming rather than trying to be an all around farmer. If corporate farming takes a bigger and bigger hold in the future then you won't be able to compete if you are an all around farmer doing a little of everything on a small scale basis. Just a little something to think about.

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Ray,IN

10-29-2002 18:56:44




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 Re: Starting own farm in reply to Jay, 10-29-2002 18:32:49  
If you have the desire,dedication, and willingness to work periodic 100 hr. weeks to get started farming, then perhaps obtaining a job on a large farming operation first will gain you the necessary experience and drive to attend whatever school you choose. I am convinced a man really wants and loves farming to do it full time. Todays crop prices make it really tough for small farmers to survive. My father-in-law said last year, he was selling corn for the same price he sold it for in 1956.

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