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Jason

10-29-2002 05:27:26




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I have acquired an old .22 from my Grandpa and it was used and abused to say the least. There are several spots on the barrel that have rust spots. I have rubbed barrel with some triple ought steel wool and gun oil and it just doesn't look good. Have any of you guys tried the gun blueing stuff you see at Meijer, Wally World, etc.? I am not trying to achieve a like new finish, just want to clean up what I have and stop the rust. Or should I leave it to the professionals? Thanks in advance.

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Jason

10-30-2002 04:41:29




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 Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-29-2002 05:27:26  
Well as usual, I think you all offered some great advice and I think for the long run I would be better off to just have it done professionally. Probably want to hand it over to my kids some day and I don't want them to have a old good for nothing left to them. Thanks again - everyone here is always extremely helpful!!



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RayP(MI)

10-31-2002 09:51:51




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 Re: Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-30-2002 04:41:29  
I've had good success with cold bluing on several guns over the years. You need to take care to remove all traces of oil from the area to be blued. Then as you apply the bluing, scrub it in with the applicator. It will take several applications over the area to get an even color, as it has a tendency to streak. My jobs have been fairlr durable too.



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D.L.

10-29-2002 17:23:05




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 Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-29-2002 05:27:26  
In addition to my woodworking, I dabble in guns as well (I make stocks..the woodworking part, and also small scale gunsmithing).

First and foremost...regardless of the condition of the gun, if it is a collector's item, DO NOT have it reblued...you will all but kill its value.

With that said, and assuming you intend to reblue for whatever reason, the best way is to have it done professionally. Hot blueing, rust blueing, charcoal blueing, nitre-blueing, case coloring, et al, require a fair amount of equipment and expensive chemicals to do the job right. Also, make sure the person you get to do the job is experienced...ask for references for his work. Just having the equipment alone does not guarantee good results. Good blueing is 99.9% preparation work. If the prep is bad, the whole job will be bad.

Forget the cold blueing. It's ok for touch ups of small areas (emphasis on "small"), but to try to do large areas, or even entire barrles/actions is an exercise in frustration. Even if you manage to get a good, deep color without lots of streaking, cold blue does not penetrate the metal very much and it will scratch off or even wipe off easily.

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Frank M.

10-29-2002 19:09:41




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 Re: Re: Gun Blueing in reply to D.L., 10-29-2002 17:23:05  
I've got a Ruger single-six that has been reblued twice with the cold blue. You're right it wipes off. I reblued it myself the second time, and it turned out beautiful. Six months later and it had no finish at all on it. Very disappointing. I just keep it oiled good.



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jim paerker

03-15-2006 06:34:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Frank M., 10-29-2002 19:09:41  
I would like to get more information on gun blueing due to i was hurt at work by electricution. i have been not able to work since doc's says. i was hoping you could give me more in formation on blueing for i like guns and this would be a good hobey for me.

thank you four time jim parker



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D.L.

10-30-2002 16:30:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Frank M., 10-29-2002 19:09:41  
Yep, aggravating, isn't it? Unfortunately, that's just the nature of the beast. Cold bluing is nothing more than salts that color the very thinnest layer of the surface crystals of the metal. It doesn't take much to remove it.

The most durable bluing you can get is rust bluing. The finish is literally rusted into the metal. This is also one of the most expensive bluing jobs as well. It takes time, usually a week or more. Rust bluing is usually done almost exclusively on barrels since this process allows you to plug the tube up in order to keep the bore shiny and smooth.

The next most durable would be charcoal bluing...it is also, in my opinion, the best looking as well. The finished color, especially on well polished metal is very similar to the results of nitre-bluing (also called "heat" bluing). The color ranges from a bright, almost peacock blue to a deep, almost purple. Very beautiful.

Nitre-bluing is a heat process as well and is done using mixtures of special salts that are first melted over heat and then the parts dipped into it. Nitre-bluing will produce a range of colors, depending on the temperature and length of time you expose the parts. The colors can range from a straw yellow (called "strawing"), to deep purple. Interestingly, the bright peacock blue (the most common color achieved with nitre-bluing) does not come until after the deep purple color.

Unfortunately, nitre-bluing is not done much these days. The problem is with the modern steels used in guns. Right after WWI, our steels changed in alloys, etc and nitre-bluing just doesn't work well with it. Charcoal bluing does a pretty good job of getting that bright blue color though and works well on modern steels.

Another common and popular bluing method is called "Hot" bluing (not to be confused with "heat" bluing, ala charcoal or nitre-bluing). Hot bluing is also called "salt bluing". The part is placed in a hot solution of salts until the color is achieved.

Lastly, and although not a "bluing", case coloring (or color case hardening) was very popular as well, but much less so today, except on custom work. A piece was wrapped up in all sorts of "special" materials, chemicals, etc and more or less put into a fire. The various, haphazardly placed materials interact with the metals to create swirls of color. Very pretty when done right and with the right alloy.

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Vern-MI

10-29-2002 14:09:10




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 Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-29-2002 05:27:26  
Hoppes cold gun blue is the best I've used although there may be something better.
HOPPES GUN BLUE Deep penetrating -restores gun barrel to its original finish.
ITEM NO. 1702 2 OZ. ITEM NO. 1716 PINT



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Mac

10-29-2002 13:58:11




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 Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-29-2002 05:27:26  
Cold blue to me is an iffy thing. Sometimes does OK and other times does not look to well. I have never had good results with any brand of that stuff. Hot blue is the best way to go, or have it prof. done. Bear in mind tho if it is an old weapon and has any collectors value I would just clean it good and use the solution as mentioned by previous poster.



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Tech4

10-29-2002 08:35:29




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 Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-29-2002 05:27:26  
I used one of the off the shelve gun blueing from one of the stores about 15 years ago on a shotgun that was in poor condition. It still looks good today and I coat it with a light gun oil every six months or so.



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kraig WY

10-29-2002 07:19:12




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 Re: Gun Blueing in reply to Jason, 10-29-2002 05:27:26  
Cold blueing dosn't really work unless its done right, if done right its a lot more work then hot blueing. Preperation is the most important part in either process. For your gun I would sugest the hot blue method. Its not really hard but you have to have the equipment. Four tanks, heat sorce, fresh running water, water soilable oil, bluing salts, blueing themoter, etc.,etc. If you really want it blued take it to someone who is set up. If you want to just stop rust go to a good gun shop and get some "Rig". and keep it coated. Rust don't cut through that stuff.

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