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Bolting a pedistal to concrete

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DumOleBob

10-21-2002 21:48:33




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I need to mount a pedestal to hold a bender on a concrete floor using four ˝” bolts. It’s a “temporary” set up as I’ll have to unbolt it from time to time (Like when my wife insists on putting her car in my “shop”!). I figure to use some kind of anchors & then just put the bolts back in to keep out dirt, etc. Any suggestions as to what I might do, types of anchors, etc. will be greatly appreciated!

Ridding myself of the wife or her car is not an option ---at this point.

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wrenchman

10-24-2002 20:56:46




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 Re: Bolting a pedistal to concrete in reply to DumOleBob, 10-21-2002 21:48:33  
hey Bob,have you ever tried bolting stuff down to large truck rims??are usually heavy enough & still portable.can also throw a couple of 100lb sacks of sand on em too for more stability..been doing that for years(way too much stuff in shop:^)packratitus you know)..just an idea...



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Farmered

10-22-2002 20:28:33




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 Re: Bolting a pedistal to concrete in reply to DumOleBob, 10-21-2002 21:48:33  
Bob, Try bolting the bender to a 1/4 inch plate that is large enough to stand on. You can still move it when you want without too much trouble.
I mounted both a bender and a tire changer on a piece of 1 inch plate and I didn't have to stand on it. It weighed 570 lbs. but I had a forklift to move it. Good luck, Ed



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John Garner

10-22-2002 12:50:33




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 Re: Bolting a pedistal to concrete in reply to DumOleBob, 10-21-2002 21:48:33  
DumOleBob --

I'll second the vote for "Drop In" anchors, they really work well for those temporary applications that require a flush floor after removal. The biggest drawback of the Drop-In anchors is that they need to be spaced 10-diameters apart to carry their full rated load.

Standard Drop-In achors for a 1/2-inch bolt need a 5/8 inch hole that is at least 2 3/8 inch deep, and deeper is better strengthwise, but you don't want to drill too deep or you run the risk of cracking the bottom out of the concrete when you try to set the anchor's internal wedge.

The Rawl Handbook says that the Rawl Drop-In anchors need to be derated by fifty percent if they are installed closer together than 10 insert-diameters, so a 6 inch x 6 inch square pattern of four 1/2-inch-thread Drop-In anchors should be strictly rated for the same load as two of the same anchors that are 6.25 inches apart.

If you go with the Drop-In anchors, I suggest that you drill the holes as close to diameter, location, and straightness as you can and then thoroughly scrub the sides of the holes with a wire "bottle brush" or "toothbrush" to clean as much of the pulverized concrete out of the hole surfaces as possible. I'd also suggest that you spring for the factory-made setting tool (rather than using some random pin punch) and use a hand-drilling hammer to drive the wedge. A properly-installed Drop-In will pull out a chunk of concrete before it slips out of its hole, but I see a lot of these anchors that slip out of their holes because they were improperly expanded or installed in oversized holes.

Almost all of the major makers of concrete anchors make Drop-In type anchors -- Rawl, Red-Head, and Hilti come immediately to mind, but there are many others and they are work about the same. I sure as heck wouldn't waste my time going from store to store to look for some particular brand of Drop-In.

John

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Ray M41

10-22-2002 11:24:46




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 Re: Bolting a pedistal to concrete in reply to DumOleBob, 10-21-2002 21:48:33  
"Drop-in" anchors are similar to lead anchors but you don't need to drill so big a hole. For a 1/2" bolt a 5/8" hole by 2" deep should do. The anchors are dropped in and then tamped tight with an internal type tamping too. The base can then be bolted to the floor with standard hex bolts. When they are removed the floor remains smooth.



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F14

10-22-2002 03:29:33




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 Re: Bolting a pedistal to concrete in reply to DumOleBob, 10-21-2002 21:48:33  
My first thought would be lead anchors. You drill a hole (probably 1" for 1/2" anchors), tap the anchor in so the top is flush with the floor, and when you screw in the 1/2" bolt and reef down on it, a wedge in the bottom of the anchor spreads out and grabs the side of the hole.

Only reservation is how much torque is applied to the mounting when using the bender. Not sure how much pull those lead anchors will take. When I was an equipment installer, we used 3/8" lead anchors to hold down 19" equipment racks that were 6' tall and had 5 or 6 hundred pounds of equipment in them.

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