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LarryG

10-17-2002 06:36:39




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I bought a mini lathe from HF. I haven't used it much - so far I've made some nylon replacement wheels for some sliding door hardware that is 50 years old and couldn't get replacement parts for. But I got it so I could make bushings for some of the sloppy connections on the tractor I'm restoring. (yes, I could send them out to a machine shop, but that's not the goal.) My question is: The tool holder/tool combination positions the tip of the tool about 1/16" below the center of the axis of the chuck, which makes it bind and chatter. Isn't the tool supposed to be right at the center of the work so the the work is coming down on the tool at a 90 degree angle? Boy, sometimes I wish I'd gone to a voc/tech school..... ..... .

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LarryG

10-18-2002 04:27:31




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
Thanks to everybody who responded-this site is a living encyclopedia. I can't wait to get back at it - I can't wait to retire so I can do all the things I want to do! But I don't want to wish any part of my life away either. Thanks to all. ( I guess I should thank my wife, too, for letting me disappear until well into the evening after dinner most nights to "play")



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wrenchman

10-17-2002 23:18:12




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
go over to lindsaybks.com & order you a reprint of South Bend's "how to run a lathe"...is a good reprint & very informative...should be just what you need...pretty good site & lots of technical books there...they are easy to deal with & have really fast service...been dealing with em for years...



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Tom

10-18-2002 18:40:11




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 Re: Re: Machinist 101 in reply to wrenchman, 10-17-2002 23:18:12  
Yes! How to Run a Lathe is a book that should come with every lathe sold to a beginer. And it has good stuff for those of us past the beginner stage too. Get one! You won't find more information for less money.



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John Garner

10-17-2002 18:32:54




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
LarryG --

The old-time rule of thumb is that a toolbit used to cut the outside surface of a workpiece should be set on-center or slightly above, a boring tool should be set on-center or slightly below. (Slightly is a key word in the preceeding sentence.)

Better-grade tool holders have a height adjustment, frequently using a vertical screw to jack the tool holder up-or-down relative to the tool post, but sometimes using a sliding wedge. With the type of tool holder you have, you'll need to adjust the height of the toolbit -- and that's best done by shimming.

Feeler gage leaves make great shims, but you should make a point to use the thickest leaves you can rather than stacking up a whole family of thin ones. Don't even bother trying to use soft shims, because they'll compress and the toolbit will loosen.

Another point, the toolbit clamping screws that come with these machines are notorious for being low-grade and their hex recesses strip out very easily and rapidly. I'd STRONGLY advise you to replace the factory screws with good-quality screws. (Some mini-lathe owners change from socket setscrews to standard socket head cap screws when they buy new screws. Your choice.)

Then take the original screws outside and throw them over the fence or into the bay.

I'll also encourage you to find a high school machine shop textbook from the 1950's, 1960's, or early 1970's and study it. Most public libraries have a number of books that will fill the bill, and I suggest that you review them all and select the one that speaks to you. There are dozens of books fitting this description, by almost as many different authors, each with his own style. The book that I just love may be hard for you to follow, and vice versa. Having said that, I consider Volume 1 of Machine Tool Operations by Burghardt and Axelrod (those names are from memory and may not be spelled correctly) to be one of the very finest lathe manuals ever written.

Ok, that's a lot more answer than you asked for and I'll pipe down for now. If you have any more Q's, post back either here or at the Chaski Home Machine Shop bulletin board (www.chaski.com and follow the links to "bulletin boards", then to "machine shop")

John

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Tom

10-17-2002 17:48:53




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
There is nothing wrong with HSS tool bits for 99% of the work you are likely to do. When grinding/sharpening them, after you are done with them on the wheel or belt sander get out your stones and stone the surfaces you ground, the smoother the better. A polished surface will last longer and give a better finish than a ground one.Especially if your grinder doesn't have a real fine stone.



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Allis Puller

10-17-2002 16:35:08




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
JR gave you some of the best advice by using the scale to find center. Also make sure you haven't chipped the cutting point, a good idea would be to get yourself some carbide cutting tools - they may be expensive but if treated right they will last a long time.



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ferrell freeman

10-17-2002 13:20:25




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
Try ENCO at www.use-enco.com or 1-800-use-enco they seem to have alot of the odd mechine tool supplies .



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JR

10-17-2002 08:00:37




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
Yes, Larry, the tool should be on centerline. Use your scale and clamp it vertically between the tool tip and the work. Looking from the tailstock, the scale should be straight up and down. If not, adjust the tool (shims or adjustment screw, depending on the toolholder) so that it is on center and the scale is vertical. Hope this helps...



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Peter(NY)

10-17-2002 07:52:41




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
Welcome to school! Here is alot of good info for you to start with. Go to Chapter 7 of Fundementals of Machine Tools. Good Luck.



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Ray in CT

10-17-2002 07:49:42




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
Yep shim it up to the center line and make sure the set screws are cranked tight.

Should not be experiencing chatter while cutting nylon at all - make sure theres clearance for the chip to exit etc...
Extend the cutting tool only as far as needed from the holder. Additional length increases deflection at tip more pronounced chatter especially in the metals.
Good luck its a lot of fun,
Ray

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Redtractorman

10-17-2002 07:03:54




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 Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 06:36:39  
Should be as close to center as possible.Shim it up some.What type of holder is it.



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LarryG

10-17-2002 08:45:32




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 Re: Re: Machinist 101 in reply to Redtractorman, 10-17-2002 07:03:54  
I want to say it is a "turret type"? It has 4 detents so you can set up multiple tools, 4 set screws to hold the tool, and a center post with a lever to tighten it down. The tool holders are 1/4" square. I thought if I could get 5/16" I might be right on, but I didn't see any in the KBC Tool master catalog, 3/8" seems to be the smallest. Thanks to everybody for the quick/helpful responses.



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bill b va

10-17-2002 16:05:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Machinist 101 in reply to LarryG, 10-17-2002 08:45:32  

i just bought a mini lathe this week and have been reading up on them .you may want to go to mini-lathe.com and read about them .there is a lot of information as well as links .i think your problem is your bit is too small.probably should be 5/16 as you say .i didn't get bits with my lathe so i ordered blank bits and will grind my own .one of the grinding steps is to grind the top of the bit to get the rake . in dong so you could lower the top of the bit to where it needs to be .i am not a expert by any means but do not recomemend shiming from below . from the descriptin of your tool post it sounds like mine .there are a lot of sources for the bits

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Al

10-17-2002 16:11:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Machinist 101 in reply to bill b va, 10-17-2002 16:05:32  
I am a machinist,yes shim from below,use a center in the tail or headstock to help find center.A few thou below is better than above.Safety first,eyes & fingers are nice to have.
Al



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