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Richard

10-09-2002 17:51:26




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Where can I find a good deal on a light duty Horizontal/Vertical Band Saw. (4" and smaller material).

I wasn't able to find anything on Northern tool or Habor Freight, which surprises me. Jet has one for about $300 and will cut 4" at 90 degrees but it will only cut 3" at 45 degrees. There next one up is $900. I see these things in tool books all the time cheap when I'm not looking for one.

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Gene Davis

10-11-2002 20:01:32




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 Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-09-2002 17:51:26  
I have a 610d Kalamazoo, made by the Kalamazoo Tank and Silo Co. Kalamazoo, Mich.,that Noah had left over when he built the Ark for God, but it is very useable since it will cut about 6x9-1/2 inches. Was very sad last year when the brass drive gear in the gearcase gave out. Did some research on the web, found that Clausing Machine Tool Co. had bought them up, they had a drive gear and some of the other parts including a manual in stock and shipped out in 24 hrs! This machine was built in the early to mid 50's I think, Was very glad to know some one still had some parts for it. Sure would have hated to do away with my saw I bought for $125.00 in 1969,be fore I used it long enough to get my money's worth out of it! Gene

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CODY NE TEXAS

10-10-2002 16:38:21




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 Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-09-2002 17:51:26  
Try GRIZZLY.COM , I bought a 7x12 when I was building my shop and it has worked perfectly every time



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Ron_NY

10-10-2002 16:11:15




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 Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-09-2002 17:51:26  
Check out this bandsaw at Harbor Freight. I think it will meet your requirements.

HORIZONTAL/VERTICAL METAL CUTTING BANDSAW Three speeds to cut everything from brass and aluminum to rugged alloy and tool steels! In horizontal position, use the gravity feed adjustment to increase or decrease cutting pressure. 6-3/4'' x 6-3/4'' table for use in vertical position. Blade and heavy duty stand included.

Item #: 37151-7VGA $199.99 $169.99

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Dennis Benson

10-09-2002 18:15:05




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 Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-09-2002 17:51:26  
Try this, it is listed at $169.95, and you can order online. I have one and it works great.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37151



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Richard

10-11-2002 03:24:06




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 Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dennis Benson, 10-09-2002 18:15:05  
I just ordered one. I noticed it also out weighs the Jet and the Clarke. Hopefully this one will work without waiting for replacement parts .


I cut a lot of square tubing (2" and smaller) and I'm simply tired of fighting the burrs with a chop saw. I find it very tough to get nice square cuts and get the lengths right each time so I was hoping a band saw would eliminate some of these problems. I weld all of my small tubing with a mig so gaps are sort of unforgiving.

Almost went with a Carbide Blade Metal saw, looks like a miter saw. They say they do great but the blades are about $100 and the saw is pricey as well.

Thanks for the input.

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Dennis Benson

10-11-2002 11:35:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-11-2002 03:24:06  
I agree with Dick L, I added some angle iron at the base of the legs. The angle was from an old bed frame that I picked up in the scrap, it doesn't have to be much, just enough to support it, but you can get fancy and put a storage area under there, too.

Also, about breaking down, the only problem I had was with the motor, the bearings sieze up while it was under warranty, they sent me a new one at no charge. I notice others had trouble with quality, too. so, My advice is to use it as much as possible, and wear out a few blades if necessary to see if anything will fail during warranty. If you get the problems worked out before the warranty expires it should last a long time.

I've seen these in auctions in factories, sometimes under another brand name, but the parts look identical, and they sell for as much as a new one with a warranty, as is and where is.

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Fred OH

10-18-2002 11:22:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dennis Benson, 10-11-2002 11:35:07  
I bought one of those cheap band saws once...and I assembled as per instructions....slid out the handle from the front to move it where I wanted it....and the next thing I knew...it was upside down with four legs sticking upward. There wasn't anyone around but I still said "I see why they lost the war". Tools can be made to wear in or wear out, same way with cars or anything else....I find that most oriental tools are the latter. So, you have to get smarter than the metal. Sort of beating them at their own game....so to speak. After looking at my saw, I made stiffeners for the legs and solved that problem. Looking at another fellows problem...the blade not tracking true....maybe he tightened the blade too tight and the frame warped a little (possible)...now he'll have to shim it (front wheel) to get it to track correctly again. Looking at another saw....that wouldn't cut straight....the lower bearings on the blade guides were worn and trading places with the upper ones solved that problem. New ones from Bearings Inc. were about 4 or 5 bucks each. Ball bearings in an electric motor aren't that hard to change either. Some times...if you want something done right...you have to do it your self. L8R....Fred OH

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Dick L

10-11-2002 10:35:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-11-2002 03:24:06  
I have worn out three of those in my factory and a bit of advice, About an inch up from the floor bolt fast a length of angle iron on both sides to the legs. They are weak and if you move them aroung the legs flex and the next thing ya know it will not sit square. Also put loc tite on the threads that hold the legs to the cast iron base.



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DumOleBob

10-11-2002 08:47:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Richard, 10-11-2002 03:24:06  
I keep singing this song, but.....Those carbide blade, metal cutting chop saws are amazing. Expensive, yes. But, well worth the $ if - like any tool - you need a good one! Quality leaves no regret!



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John

10-10-2002 13:49:43




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 Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dennis Benson, 10-09-2002 18:15:05  
My dad found a discarded 12" wood cutting band saw ia a salvage yard back in the early 60s. It was made by Shop-Mate, not to be confused with Shop Smith. He rigged it up with a Bendix washing machine motor that had a mechanical 2 speed transmission on it. Low for metal, High for wood. I have had it now for 30 years. A few years ago, I took things a step up. I fitted it with an old 1hp DC treadmill motor. I now have any speed I need from 0 to flat out and flyin. There is always plenty of power at any speed. Thought this idea might give some of you a few more options when it comes to needing adjustable speed. At some point in the future,I expect to add one to my 11" Logan lathe.

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DumOleBob

10-09-2002 19:31:01




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 Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dennis Benson, 10-09-2002 18:15:05  
Got to agree - I got one on sale with free shipping about 4 years ago. It works just fine for occasional use. Might want to get a better bi-metal blade which makes it even better. It all depends upon how mush work your going to give it, but mine is A-OK!



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Tom

10-09-2002 18:35:51




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 Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dennis Benson, 10-09-2002 18:15:05  
Try Enco, or J&L, search on them, I don't know the "address" off hand. $169 is the going bottom price.



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Tom

10-10-2002 18:00:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Tom, 10-09-2002 18:35:51  
I did forget I spent a few hours adjusting and fine tunning the saw I got. It was from Wholesale Tool. I went to the Stoughton MA store and brought it home, live in R.I. It was quiet a while now, there have been some changes in the saws, but basically they are the same. The person who said you need to understand how the relation of the blade and parts to the work works is right, a bandsaw can take some work to setup. Clanping a 6" rule size piece of metal to the saw blade, sticking up, between the blace guides, helps to see when the blade is square to the table.

You have to look at most of the imports as kits, you get the parts but you also have to put the attention to detail in that the low price doesn't allow the factory to put in. I have a few such imports and most work well after I cleaned, adjusted, sometimes modified, and otherwise worked over to be what they were supposed to be. However in the case of the bandsaw, the only used ones I saw that were US made were in the $500 range, more than I wanted to spend, and they were larger, and I don't have all that much room left. So for me, and I suspect a lot of others, the imports allow us to have a piece of equipment we might not have otherwise, accepting that it may not be quiet as good. But at least it cuts metal, and reasonably accurately, beats a hacksaw too.

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Dave F.

10-09-2002 19:50:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Tom, 10-09-2002 18:35:51  
Dennis, OleBob, How did you get your blades to track right to stay on the saw? I'd ordered the H.F saw about 3 years ago. It didn't work out so well for me I sent it back to H.F. may be the one I got might have been defective, Thanks Dave F.



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Murray Dunn

10-10-2002 15:18:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dave F., 10-09-2002 19:50:05  
One place I worked had a Wells which worked great used 60 inch band. When I went to work for myself I bought an import which used 64 1/2 inch band. after about several hours of adjustment it worked fine but took much time and patience. Was a good saw worth the $$. Always used high quality Lennox or Nicholson blades made up at a local supplier.



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Dum ( Lucky) OleBob

10-10-2002 07:38:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dave F., 10-09-2002 19:50:05  
Whoops! Sounds like I got lucky. Anyway, there are a bunch of such saws out there. Get one for an outfit you know will stand behind it. That or get a "more expensive" one.



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VaTom

10-10-2002 04:59:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Metal Cutting Band Saw in reply to Dave F., 10-09-2002 19:50:05  
The HF saw I bought had a defective piece that didn't allow correct adjustment of the trailing guide rollers and wouldn't track. I'm accustomed to setting up bandsaws so it was obvious to me. Took them 3 months to come up with a replacement part. They thought I wasn't very nice to refuse to pay until I had a functioning tool. But they didn't want to pay freight across the country to get it back.

Setting up a bandsaw requires an understanding of how everything is supposed to work. One part mis-drilled was enough to throw everything off. The new part solved that problem.

It didn't solve the slow cutting. That took another, much heavier and more expensive, saw. A buddy now happily uses the HF saw. He never cuts anything very big so the speed's not a problem.

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