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Little Ed

09-29-2002 11:07:22




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Anybody out there know how to weld thin calt iron? I welded an iron kettle (25 gallons) along the outside of a foot long crack with flux cored wire. Ground it out and pre-heated it. made a real nice weld, until I welded the inside. It looks like the heat was unable to disperse into the iron from weld, and the first weld pretty much just fell into globs. I would like to grind it out and torch weld with a cast rod. How do you go about using such? How did the old timers repair old cast iron? Thanks for any ideas.

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Little Ed

10-03-2002 07:21:25




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 Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to Little Ed, 09-29-2002 11:07:22  
Thanks for the info, gentlemen. I have never failed to get good advice from this web site. Steve, Is there anything in your #927 or its flux that should not come in contact with food?



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info

10-02-2002 00:24:47




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 Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to Little Ed, 09-29-2002 11:07:22  
by the way,you can get new cast iron pots,kettles & such at Lehmans or Cumberland General Store(are kinda expensive though)...both have websites iirc...just use Google Search...



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Steve U.S. Alloys

10-01-2002 05:13:34




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 Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to Little Ed, 09-29-2002 11:07:22  
George has given you some very sound advice Ed. The method he describes was used almost exclusively at one time to repair engine cylinder heads. It is still used to some extent today. We also provide that material to those who restore the old stationary engines and want a repair that matches the base material as closely as possible.

The wire you used was the wrong type for cast iron. I believe when you mentioned "flux core", you were referring to E-70 or 71 TGS or something similar.

The problem you experienced on the inside of the kettle was due primarily to contamination. When cast iron is heated, the material it is in direct contact with will seep into the porous grain structure and can be difficult to counter. Contaminants are removed by boiling them or burning them out, by grinding, by sealing and burning as with an exothermic electrode, or by chemical wash.

I would not agree that cast iron is unweldable by electric arc. The type of cast iron in these kettles is particularly difficult to repair for more than one reason. I have repaired them using the exothermic electrode followed by a "high quality" SMAW electrode of proper chemical composition. A powder welding torch works well also. The SMAW or even GMAW process is sometimes the only viable method (for cast iron repair)in cases where the base metal mass is great. I don't believe that any one process is the catch all.

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george md

09-29-2002 16:14:04




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 Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to Little Ed, 09-29-2002 11:07:22  
Ed,

Glad to hear that someone wants to learn to

weld cast properly . the terms arc weld and cast

iron should never be used together ( not

compatable ).

Airco used to make cast rod for torch but no

longer does , harris is one of the few that still

makes it.

You will need the rod ,the flux ,a small torch

with which to weld , and a large torch to preheat

the work,( propane weed burner works well ).Heat

large area of the kettle to dull red ,this gets

past all of the expansion so that when it cools

that base metal and the weld will contract evenly.

That can not happen if welded with nickel,because

nickel has about 3 times the tensile strength and

a much greater rate of expansion than cast iron.

Maintain the preheat while welding and when

finished welding do a post heat to a slightly

higher temperature to stress relieve and wrap

in asbestos blanket until cool ( 10 to 12 hrs).

george

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mike

09-30-2002 06:48:29




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 Re: Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to george md, 09-29-2002 16:14:04  
George..thanks to your response to my question some months back, I got some Kastweld 111, and flux. The local supplier never heard of it until I asked for it. Now he stocks it. Thanks again, works great. mike



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Fred OH

10-01-2002 08:03:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to mike, 09-30-2002 06:48:29  
Have fun torch welding inside the pot with a torch. Better get clothed up pretty good and goggles and a face shield to cover your face ...as you won't be able to stand the heat coming out at you. Not nice to breath that stuff either. I would only weld on the outside. L8R....Fred OH



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Don LC

09-30-2002 05:26:36




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 Re: Re: Welding a Kettle in reply to george md, 09-29-2002 16:14:04  
If you don't have a asbestos blanket,bury it in sand.....



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