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Roger

09-23-2002 12:53:30




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Warn, Ramsey, Superwinch, other?
I need to add a winch to my 3/4t p/u to skid logs
on my parcel and I've never used or even looked at
a winch and therefor, I need your help. What
specs, features, options, etc should I be looking
for. Who has the best prices? Thank you in advance!
Roger




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Gordon L. Butcher

09-23-2002 17:13:34




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 Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-23-2002 12:53:30  
Roger:

I'm not so sure that the brand is as important as the job. For logging work, I'd consider a PTO or hydraulic winch (some hydraulic units run off of the power steering pump). Check out some of the better 4 X 4 magazines. Either type wouldn't be "portable" like the receiver hitch units, but an electric winch uses a ton of amps which is OK for a short term recovery operation, but not so great for continuous operations. Just some thoughts. Much luck and be safe. The comments provided by the other folks on winch safety are wise ones indeed.

Gordo

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Roger THANKS TO ALL!

09-24-2002 06:08:13




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Gordon L. Butcher, 09-23-2002 17:13:34  
:-)



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F14 - Excellent point

09-23-2002 17:25:49




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Gordon L. Butcher, 09-23-2002 17:13:34  
I hadn't thought about the continuous duty thing, and that would certainly be a consideration when skidding logs.



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pete

09-23-2002 15:36:04




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 Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-23-2002 12:53:30  
You might look into Mile Marker hydraulic winches. They are driven off the power steering pump and, according to reports, don't overheat and burn out.



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Ludwig

09-24-2002 11:11:31




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to pete, 09-23-2002 15:36:04  
My spies tell me the mile marker is about as slow as snot, and even worse if you have to turn your wheels during the pull. Apparently the hardware and fittings in the plumbing are less than optimal quality too.
Supposedly improvements can be made by switching to a specific higher pressure powersteering pump but then you need a pressure adapter for your powersteering box.

Good things about the milemarker include reduced weight because of no electric motor, and like you said they don't overheat and burn like an electric. They also don't draw down your battery like electric, but like PTO the motor has to be running.

I mention the motor running because in the middle of a river once the engine has taken a gulp of water you'd sometimes like to be able to winch to a point where the intake is out of danger... Not that it should happen often, but when it does.....

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Mike

09-24-2002 21:11:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Ludwig, 09-24-2002 11:11:31  
Milemarkers are not all that bad, Yes they are SLOW. and the ratings are optimistic.

Dont connect it to your PS pump.
You will be alot happier with results if you use a dedicated pump.
Either a big-ish PS pump or a regular hyd pump.
Just check the psi & gpm requirements and match your pump to that

Mike



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F14

09-23-2002 14:03:54




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 Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-23-2002 12:53:30  
I've got a Ramsay Quick-Tatch for my truck, and a Warn on my four-wheeler. Both fine units as far as I'm concerned. The Ramsay is rated at 4500# straightline pull, but I think maybe that's a tad optimistic.

It plugs into a standard 2" hitch receiver, which makes it very versatile. I have receivers and plugs on both ends of my truck and on my tractor, as well as recievers on my trailer (the pigtail fromt the rear of the truck will reach it) and on my home made log arch (which plugs into the pigtail on the back of the tractor) I've used it to lift logs with the arch, pull stuck vehicles out, load tractors and vehicles onto my trailer and stretch fence. It's done everything I've asked of it. If you double the line through a snatchblock, it'll pull the ugly off Tammy Faye Baker.

The little Warn on my wheeler is rated at 1500#, and is nice for light fence stretching and getting the wheeler out of really nasty holes. (Don't ask...)

For what you plan to do, weight rating is more important than line speed, and duty cycle will be a consideration. A remote is a must, and make sure you get large enough cable. Be aware that winches are rated with one wrap of cable on the drum, and pull progressively less as the drum fills up.

Be aware of safety as well. Always wear gloves (a fishhooked cable will shred your hands before you can let go) and flop a blanket over the line when pulling to damp the whiplash if it parts.

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Ludwig

09-24-2002 11:05:28




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to F14, 09-23-2002 14:03:54  
I can personally vouch for F14's winch having seen it in action to belay a 2 bottom 2 way plow off of his trailer while I pulled with the tractor. With the winch the bottoms that were down tore a small gouge in the trailer, if we hadn't had the winch somebody woulda had to ride the plow down the ramps to keep the bottoms outta the ground. With no way to keep the plow from running away it'd have been quite a ride!

When I get all smart about stuff I'm going to make up a system just like his...

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Roger

09-24-2002 06:12:10




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to F14, 09-23-2002 14:03:54  
F14;
Lots of good info. Much obliged.
Roger



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VaTom

09-23-2002 15:10:42




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to F14, 09-23-2002 14:03:54  
My winch is PTO-powered, a little heavy for that pickup. But what's this "home made log arch"? I'm just finishing a telescoping-tongue pole hauler that'll carry a 3' d. x 30' log on high speed hubs. Or a whole bunch of used barjoists- that were always a problem to move.

You do know what they found when they scraped off Tammy Faye's face, don't you? ..... Jimmy Hoffa.



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Roger

09-25-2002 06:15:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to VaTom, 09-23-2002 15:10:42  
Tom;
Can you give more info on your PTO driven winch
e.g. make, model, reseller etc?
Thanks,
Roger



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VaTom

09-25-2002 16:34:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-25-2002 06:15:48  
Hi Roger, happy to look it up tomorrow but it's army surplus on an army surplus deuce and a half. A friend found a source, Ohio I think, for $600, if memory serves. He bought a deuce without one. I can ask. And of course you need a PTO on your tranny. I think this'd be a little heavy on the front of a 3/4 ton pickup though. That's why I didn't suggest it originally, although it does the job you requested.

Another thought, have you checked Surplus Center in Lincoln Nebraska? Catalog's in my shop but I'm sure they offered a variety of winches that would be a little lighter, including PTO. These army winches are designed to either pull out a stuck, loaded truck, or pull the anchor out of the ground. I've done both.

I also use it to pull on the top of a tree to ensure falling direction. With that much cable there's no risk of getting hit. Only problem I've encountered was once, when my help was cutting the hinge while I pulled gently (I thought), he suddenly grabbed the saw and took off. I was puzzled as I was sure he hadn't finished the cut. A couple seconds later I saw why he took off. I'd inadvertantly uprooted that 70' oak. Rotten roots, of course. But it sure surprised me.

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Roger

09-26-2002 11:55:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to VaTom, 09-25-2002 16:34:27  
Tom;
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm still gathering
info and hope to make some sort of educated
decision soon since I'd like to get the logs out
before the rain begins...
Roger



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VaTom

09-26-2002 15:35:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-26-2002 11:55:42  
Roger,
You're welcome. Unfortunately I was wrong about having information about my winch. I know the army part number and how to order every individual part, but no idea who made it.

I did look in the Surplus Center catalog 800-488-3407, if you don't have a catalog. They offer New United Engineering "for use on military vehicles" rated at 7500# with 150' of 1/2" cable and hook, power in and out. Winch, driveshaft, and pto coupler run $540. Winch alone is $490 and weighs 225#.

My winch is rated at 10,000# but this is from the same people who say my truck's only good for a 5 ton load on-road, VERY conservative.

Surplus Center offers a variety of elec. and hydraulic winches up to 20,000#- for only $2,695. Haven't caught up with my deuce-driving friend yet but I don't really think you want one of these hanging off the front of your truck.

And don't forget, your brakes won't keep your truck stationary when a good winch is pulling. Nose it into a tree, if available, or chain the rear to something that won't move. (And hope you don't pull it in half!)

Of course what I'd really suggest is you spring for a deuce with a winch. Don't know what you have for a 3/4 ton, but you might not want to tear it up. And then your trees might be a little smaller than mine.

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Roger

09-27-2002 06:37:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to VaTom, 09-26-2002 15:35:14  
Tom:
Thank you once again. I tried to find Surplus
Center on the internet yesterday but was not
successful. The phone # you provided is much
appreciated. I just ordered a catalog. As for
springing for a deuce, well, if money was not a
consideration, I'd go for a helicopter! ;)
Roger



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VaTom

09-29-2002 09:18:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-27-2002 06:37:29  
Hey Roger,

yesterday I had some fun with my winch. A client bought a trailer (road tractor) that used to be a gov't lab. 30' and somewhere around 12-13,000 lbs. He didn't have any way to move it and my Cat's too light at 16,000 lbs to drag it up his driveway. I set up a snatch block, set the leveling legs on planks, and pulled.

After uprooting the first tree and then breaking one of the legs on the trailer, we gave up to await a larger crawler. Either that or I have to fabricate an axle for the front of the thing.

Probably won't want to try that with a lot less than my 7 ton truck, but that's the kind of fun you can have with a serious winch.

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VaTom

09-27-2002 06:47:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-27-2002 06:37:29  
Great! Don't hesitate to ask them for tech help. They're good. But deuces from the dealer I used were only $5000 for one with a winch. Ebay can be even cheaper.



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Ludwig

09-24-2002 11:07:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to VaTom, 09-23-2002 15:10:42  
PTO winches are very cool. I've seen a full sized Jeep pickup tow itself through crazy big mud holes while just idling like nothing was happening with a PTO winch. They don't overheat like electrics, don't strain the electrical system, carry more cable, and are WAY more powerful and usually faster.

Of course they're harder to control because you need to be in the cab, the truck needs to be running, and spooling the cable back on is a more tricky proposition.
Theres ups and downs to everything.

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VaTom

09-24-2002 14:31:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Ludwig, 09-24-2002 11:07:42  
Yeah, I like my PTO winch. It's attached to my 14,000 lb Jeep "pickup". It's been used to drag 70' logs up a 60* slope and my 16,000# Cat up my 400' rise driveway. That last one needed a snatch block and chaining the rear of my truck to a succession of trees. But worked like a champ with the engine idling.

Mine's power on (2 speed) and off with 200' of cable. The way to solo respool the cable is to drag the truck to a tree. As far as streams go, I'm good for 4' depth before I start sucking water- way deeper than I ever intend to drive. A matching snatchblock is essential.

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F14

09-23-2002 15:40:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to VaTom, 09-23-2002 15:10:42  
Eeeeewwwww wwww!

Here's a link to my cobbled-up log arch:



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VaTom

09-24-2002 03:27:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to F14, 09-23-2002 15:40:46  
Thanks, F14. Very similar to my pole hauler, except no telescoping tongue. This is something lots more people need than have, mostly because they've never seen one. Not (yet) owning an electric winch, I set mine up to raise logs with a lever-handle chain hoist.



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kraig WY

09-23-2002 13:48:15




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 Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-23-2002 12:53:30  
After the salesman computes the size of winch you need double it. I got one to put on my goose neck/flat bed. I also don;t know anything about winches. Salesmen figured the height of trailer, lenth of ramps. Estimate of weight of vehicle to load (I use the gvw of the trailer). Sold me a winch that bearly has enough power to pull the slack out of the cable. Go Heavy, cheaper in the long run.



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Mr.Dennis

09-23-2002 13:36:58




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 Re: Which winch...? in reply to Roger, 09-23-2002 12:53:30  
Oftentimes wondered the same thing. I have desired a wench with my truck. I would not want the wench on bumper but in seat by my side.



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Roger

09-23-2002 13:59:03




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 Re: Re: Which winch...? in reply to Mr.Dennis, 09-23-2002 13:36:58  
Not the kind of pulling I had in mind! ;-)



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