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Big Tim

09-05-2002 21:18:22




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Can anyone give me any advise on a new table saw. I have an old cast iron craftsman now with an emerson motor, I was thinking of staying with craftsman. Any suggestions its been a while since I bought something like this. Who's the best these days?




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Don

09-09-2002 18:18:05




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
Most people I know who do any kind of quality woodworking consider the Craftsman line to be at the low end of the totem pole. In fact, a friend who was on a limited budget at the time bought one and it turned out to have a warped table which Sears wouldn't fix for him. Older Sears products, at least 20 years old, are still considered to be reasonably good tools. You may save a few dollars buying Sears but you will soon forget the savings when you are reminded every time you use it that you should have spent a few bucks more to get a quality tool. Jet is a good brand, Delta is worth every penny and certainly is one of the best dollar value tools, and other brands are good too. You just need to pick the one you feel best about.

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Kevin

09-06-2002 19:15:29




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
I agree that your current Craftsman will be your best bet. Repair it! The Current Craftsman line is not made by Emerson anymore and the quality has hit bottom. Emerson now makes the Ridgid line for Home Depot. They are being sued by Sears for using the old Craftsman tooling to build Ridgids!
However, your old machine is still the better bet.



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Mac

09-07-2002 12:26:09




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to Kevin, 09-06-2002 19:15:29  
Thanks for jogging my memory Kevin. I recall now that on my radial arm saw, they sent me a retrofit repair kit. A safety problem. Included guards and new table. Imagine that cost somebody a few peso's as it did appear to be a little costly to manufacture and send to owners of that particular saw. Again wonder how many owners didnt know/dont know about this recall. Kit is easy to install but a little inconvenient. However a lot of safety features are that way.

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Burrhead

09-06-2002 16:57:48




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
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I have a 10" belt drive Crapsman like yours that I use to make crown moldings and corner trim with.

I put about $160 worth of bearings and new motor on it and do ever thing the big boys do.

I'd fix whatever is wrong with what you have unless it's been runover and through a building fire.

The new ones cost too much and still they only do as good as the operator anyway.

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Tom

09-06-2002 17:27:48




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to Burrhead, 09-06-2002 16:57:48  
Yes! fix the old one. I bought mine a bout 20 years ago and it was marginal with the 1 hp motor. I put a 2 hp on it and cast iron pullys, they hold a belt better. Took the guts apart and put grease fittings on the pivots and bearings for adjusting the saw arbor. Put a grease fiting in the arbor too after taking the inside seals out of the arbor bearings. Made such a difference in the saw!!!!! A 1 1/2 hp motor would probably be enough, and I can make the 2 hp slip the belt if I am not careful ripping a plank, but it is a nice problem to have after dealing with stalling out the 1 hp that came on it. Oh, the 2 hp is 220 volts and I put a switch on it that could handle it of course, and it's own circut.

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Rick B (WA)

09-06-2002 12:11:22




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
Recommend you look at Grizzly Tools. Mail order with several stores across the US. VERY well made and good prices.

www.grizzlytools.com



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Mac

09-06-2002 11:51:40




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
Depends on how much you use it. I have no problems with craftsman saws, however like anything else, the cheaper ones have something to be desired. So pay more, get better, I think Emerson still makes their saws, least they did a few years ago. Just check model numbers and you can tell.



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Master Craftsman Steve

09-06-2002 08:31:04




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
If you are looking for the best quality table saw, you only have two choices. Delta Unisaw or Powermatic 66. I have the Delta Unisaw. Trust me it will be the last saw you ever buy. It is worth the extra bucks.$1500.00



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VaTom

09-06-2002 10:14:17




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to Master Craftsman Steve, 09-06-2002 08:31:04  
I just bought the next step up from one. While I have nothing against a Unisaw, I just upgraded to a Rockwell 12-14". But if I was still doing sheet good work I'd have gone for a sliding table. Unisaw (or 66) is a good saw but no where near ultimate. Mine (3 ph) is now available.



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Roger

09-06-2002 06:38:34




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
I inherited my father's 50's Craftsman over 20
years ago. I've used it as a GC/remodeler
throughout this time and would never part with it. I replaced the original motor with a 2hp Dayton
and replaced the fence with a Vega fence and
mounted the system into a 4x8 bench w/ a plastic
lam top. To the right of the saw, I mounted a
1.5hp Rockwell router which shares the fence. Old
cast iron table saws are like old tractors-
they're pretty much meant for life, and then some! Keep that beauty or bestow it to someone close.
Good luck.
Roger

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LarryG

09-06-2002 04:40:40




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
I bought a Jet for around $500 a few years ago and am very pleased with it. I took it over the Delta because the basic fence seemed to be a bit better that the standard fence on the Delta. The Delta had an upgrade available for more $'s and I have done ok with the stock Jet fence. This was before Delta bought Beismeyer. The only thing I think I would do differently would be to buy a left tilt model rather than a right tilt. The right tilt always seems awkward on some operations for some reason, and I've seen discussions on how the left tilt is safer.

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Mike(ID)

09-10-2002 20:36:34




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to LarryG, 09-06-2002 04:40:40  
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After a year of looking at different models, I went with a 5hp 1 phase left tilt Unisaw with Beismeyer fence. Set up in my shop, I can balance a nickle on the table with the saw running and it won't fall over.

Went to the local dealer with a printout from a web dealer. Saved me $300.00, and got a Delta mobile base to boot!

It don't get no better!

Mike

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big fred

09-06-2002 07:51:21




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to LarryG, 09-06-2002 04:40:40  
I also have a Jet and have been very pleased with it. I think the Delta and Ridgid look like nice machines, too. For me, the Jet was about $50-100 less than the competitors I looked at and appeared to have a slightly better fence. In addition, their service center is located between my home and work, should I ever need them.

If you want a good cabinetmaker's saw, you can't go wrong with the powermatic 66, though. Out of my range at around $1500 and up.

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F14

09-06-2002 03:06:58




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
Have you looked into rebuilding and/or remotoring the one you have? My Dad had a Craftsman back in the late 50's-early 60's. Wrenchman is right, the new stuff isn't up to standard unless you plan to part with BIG bucks.

I bought my first tablesaw 4 or 5 years ago. Didn't look at Craftsman, as all their power tools I've ever had have been junk. Wound up with a 10" Delta Contractor. Good solid machined steel top, fully adjustable trunion that you can actually square up to the table and the fence, adjustable miter stops, good power. The base and table extensions are stamped, and I didn't upgrade to the really good fence, but other than that, I'm satisfied. Price hovers around $600, you can beat that if you shop.

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gy3020

09-06-2002 05:51:08




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to F14, 09-06-2002 03:06:58  
I don't understand your having problems with Craftsman power tools. I cannot even begin to count the furniture projects I have built with mine, some worth up to around 800.00 if you had to go buy them. I have a 10" belt drive table saw, 10" Radial Arm saw, 10" miter saw, and one of the tilt head bandsaws that they used to have. Have worked all of them quite a bit and had very little trouble, in fact the only trouble I have had has been having the motor on the table saw fixed one time and I have had it for a bunch of years. Sometimes it takes a little bit to get a setup for a cut but thats about it. I did make my own fence extensions where i could go on either side of the blade with the fence. Stock parts from Sears was around 40 bucks if I remember right, I bought about 3.00 worth of angle iron and washers and bolts and had mine.

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VaTom

09-06-2002 03:55:25




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 Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to F14, 09-06-2002 03:06:58  
Hey F14, Christmas is coming. Give yourself a present of an after-market fence and you'll finally have a real tool.

One guy I know put a Biesemeyer on a Craftsman and was delighted. Not my idea of a real saw, but worked for him. Depends on what you're doing of course, but the fence can be half the battle. If you spend much time cutting up sheet goods, it's the majority.



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F14...I like the way you think...:^)

09-06-2002 05:01:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to VaTom, 09-06-2002 03:55:25  
Might just do that. My birthday is next month, I bought myself a Drill Doctor for that, a fence for Christmas sounds like a plan...



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VaTom

09-06-2002 05:58:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Table Saw in reply to F14...I like the way you think...:^), 09-06-2002 05:01:55  
Let's see... Your birthday is next month and you already have the Drill Doctor, Christmas is in 3 1/2 months... So the fence will be delivered next Thursday?

When you get it, remember to set up a router table on the extension so you can use the fence for the router also. Making those minute adjustments is easy with a good fence. Oh yeah, the guy who put the Biesemeyer on the Craftsman was giving himself a Christmas present too. He called to ask what one wood-working tool he should give himself. Easy question to answer.

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wrenchman

09-06-2002 00:03:08




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 Re: Table Saw in reply to Big Tim, 09-05-2002 21:18:22  
oh wow!!! an old castiron craftsman with an emerson motor...thats a goody!!!...haven't seen 1 of those in years...sadly,most aren't up any where near that quality now days...why are you looking for a new 1???...don't really know what to recommend bcause i've been really dissapointed with the new stuff out there...



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