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al

08-31-2002 18:03:03




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I have been dismantling an older type hay rake, the type that was horse pulled and it worked with a lever that raised the rake teeth where enough hay got pulled to the right spot. Like many other older tools its party made of cast steel. I am thinking about saving some of the more useful looking parts that might be adapted by cutting off a piece and welding it to regular mild steel (stock) to make new custom build parts for a different purpose. Does anybody have any advise about this? Thanks. Al

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Little Ed

09-04-2002 06:58:00




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 Re: cast steel in reply to al, 08-31-2002 18:03:03  
The steel in those old sulky rake teeth are very high quality. I do a small amount of blacksmithing, and I have used the teeth to make strikers for the blackpowder guys, so they can make fire with flint and steel. It takes a good steel to throw sparks. I heat it orange hot, till it won't draw to a magnet, and qwench it in oil. Haven't tried to weld it.



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Bill Smith

09-02-2002 10:18:39




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 Re: cast steel in reply to al, 08-31-2002 18:03:03  
Sounds to me like you have a dump rake. These rakes were used when putting up hay back in the days when they put hay up in stacks, loose. This would of been in the horse drawn days and carried over into the early tractor period. In my area, people still put up hay loose in the late forty's and early 50's. Bailing became more and more common through the 50's. When putting hay up loose, you mowed it, waited for it to dry, raked it with that dump rake (just went around tell it was full and then tripped or dumped it) and then a jayhawker (or hay stacker) would scoop up the piles and stack them up. Most of the time these stackes were done outside. They would put slew grass on the top of stack to shed water and throw anchors tied together over the top to keep it from blowing. These dump rakes aren't worth much money. Basically only their weight for scrap iron or what ever you can get out of it for yard art. I would just about imagine you could get more out of it for yard art espeacially if it is all their (wheels and seat). As far as trying to come up with some good construction material here, I would forget about it. By the time you done all of your cutting, brasing, welding, drilling, and bolting you would be so much better off finding some other material to work with. Even if you have the old style side delivery rake (pulled behind tractor and for hay bailing) I would give you about the same advice. Only minimal pieces of iron the you can actually do something with.

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Jerry S

09-05-2002 10:35:10




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 Re: Re: cast steel in reply to Bill Smith, 09-02-2002 10:18:39  
I used to watch those go for 2-5 dollars at every sale when I was a kid but now I haven't seen one go for less than 50-100 dollars so haven't bought one yet. Wanted something to get brush sticks out of my wood cutting area. If you can get them for scrap price where you are, you are pretty lucky.



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Cliff (VA)

09-01-2002 06:38:32




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 Re: cast steel in reply to al, 08-31-2002 18:03:03  
I believe you mean cast iron not cast steel. Cast iron and cast steel start out basically the same, but cast steel has a considerable amount of heat treating to get rid of the effects of the sudden cooling during the casting process. Not likely for parts used on horse drawn farming equipment.

Cast iron is extremely difficult to weld. It requires pre and post heat and without this treatment will be extremely brittle. My suggestion would be to either bolt it on or braze it on, but not weld.

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Chester

09-01-2002 08:36:21




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 Re: Re: cast steel in reply to Cliff (VA), 09-01-2002 06:38:32  
For info on CI welding go to www.twoguysgarage.com and look for previous shows #TGG1-02.



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