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Nuts, bolts, and washers

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Paul (QC)

08-28-2002 08:25:46




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I've always thought that the 'proper' way to install a through bolt with a nut on the end
was to have a flat washer under the bolt head, then another flat washer followed by a lock washer and nut on the other end. (One could
replace the lock washer with a locking nut)

Working on my skidsteer, I've encountered many
places where there are no washers at all, just
a bolt and a nut (usually locking), that rub directly on the parts being held.

Are there some rules that apply to washer usage ?
For instance, instances when you don't want them ?

Thanks.

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Dave W,

08-30-2002 19:27:48




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 Re: Nuts, bolts, and washers in reply to Paul (QC), 08-28-2002 08:25:46  
Always use a washer over a slotted hole.



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Don Young

08-29-2002 20:57:56




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 Re: Nuts, bolts, and washers in reply to Paul (QC), 08-28-2002 08:25:46  
Very good info by the other posters. I believe that unneeded flat washers do slightly increase the risk of vibration loosening the fastener. If they are used with highly torqued grade 8 fasteners, the washers should also be grade 8 because the softer washers may yield under the higher pressure.



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Bus Driver

08-28-2002 13:58:43




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 Re: Nuts, bolts, and washers in reply to Paul (QC), 08-28-2002 08:25:46  
Chances are that your skidsteer uses special high strength bolts that are torqued well above average values. RG Letourneau designed his own thread system for some of his machines. His theory was that bolts tightened enough that the parts had absolutely no movement would never experience a loose bolt. His system used no washers of any kind. I suspect that the skidsteer has some of the same design thinking.

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big fred

08-28-2002 11:10:54




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 Re: Nuts, bolts, and washers in reply to Paul (QC), 08-28-2002 08:25:46  
The purpose of a washer is to distribute load and protect surfaces. If the bolt goes thru fiberglass, sheetmetal, wood, etc, which doesn't have a lot of strength or is fairly soft, you need to distribute the load over a larger area, so you select a washer to do that. If you have a surface with some special finish on it, e.g. Alodine on aluminum, you might want to add a washer to keep the bolt head or lockwasher from damaging the finish and creating a place for corrosion to develop. Also, when fastening dissimilar metals, you may need to select a washer to reduce the effects of galvanic corrosion. And washers can be used (like fender washers) to help account for a lot of slop built into mating parts to allow for alignment, or conversely, on tight tolerance holes with high-tensile bolts, a countersunk washer may be used to keep the radius between the bolt head and grip from riding on the edge of the hole. Generally, though there are some exceptions, you won't hurt anything by adding a flat washer. I find that our electronics factory will sometimes add a washer even when we don't show one on our drawings, depending on the assembler. Some do, some don't, drives the inspectors nuts.

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