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What type welder to buy?

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don nc

08-27-2002 14:46:36




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I own a tractor and bushhog and recently I have had stress cracks on the bush hog and had to pay someone to weld them up. so I was looking to buy a welder new or used that would work for that and for welding trailers up. I haven,t welded in about 15 years {since high school} so user friendly would be helpful. THANKS IN ADVANCE, DON




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TimC

08-30-2002 10:52:12




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
Don, find the old guy in your part of the country that all the farmers go to when they want an old rusted up scaffold wagon welded up that won't break again. These type people typically know the rules about welding. Some can be broken. My father has welded 7018 rods with a couple ac welders and made it work even though the 7018 is a DC rod.

If you can afford a good wire welder, (lowes, home depot, walmart doesn't sell good ones) and learn how to use it you won't ever want to go back to a stick. Good wire welders will penetrate as well as a stick if you know what you are doing and have it set up right.

On the other hand, you are more likely to find a good stick welder, cheaper. Preferrably AC/DC.

The bottom line is knowing the metal and which rods to use and some good common sense. Time is usually the best indicater of wether a weld will hold. The biggest problem with back yard welders
(which i may not even qualify for) is that to many peoply think a pretty weld is a good weld.

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Bus Driver

08-28-2002 13:52:18




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
I am by no means an expert welder, but do own an AC stick welder, an AC/DC stick, a MIG and an Oxy/acetylene outfit. If I could have only one of them, I would want the AC/DC outfit. In fact, the AC/DC (Lincoln 300AC/250DC) welder is perhaps my favorite shop tool, period.



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BRENT WILLIAMS

08-28-2002 11:11:53




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
i OWN A LINCOLN AC/DC STICK AND IT IS A VERY NICE WELDER IT DOES ANYTHING THAT I HAVE EVER WANTED IT TO DO. BUT I HEARD THAT THE LINCOLN WIRE FEED WELDERS WERE A VERY NICE WELDER AS WELL



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Bill Mullens

08-28-2002 10:15:36




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
Don, I had to chose a welder last year when starting to build a CadPlans backhoe. The CadPlans engineer specifically recommended against the consumer-grade MIG welders for welding the thick-section metals (some up to 1/2") because of inadequate penetration. I've also read that the MIGs can produce a very good-looking weld that is in fact too shallow. So, I went the cheaper route and got a Lincoln AC225 at the local Lowes. It is an AC-only, 230 volt, 225 amp welder. Works great. It was about $225, a comparable MIG would be over $400. Up until then, I had been using a 110 volt, 100 amp Fourney AC-only welder. It could weld 1/4" steel if you took your time. I built an equipment trailer with it, the most troublesome aspect of a larger project like that is that the welder would overheat and kick its thermo-couple protection if I tried to weld too long. I'd then have to wait for it to cool down. The 230 volt welder has a longer duty cycle. Whatever you get, learn about the different rods when you get started, I've found that 6013s and (as long as they are dry) 7018s are pretty easy to weld with.
Bill

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Fred OH

08-28-2002 06:31:09




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
You are wanting a welder to save money...so, the stick welder is cheaper and the more reliable of the two. Just a plain old transformer welder will get you by for farm repair. A plus would be a welder with AC-DC...has rectifier diodes to change the AC to DC...making it a smoother running welder and easier to start and maintain an arc and will run more types of rod. This in my opinion would be the best bet for the occasional welder. No sense in fighting a job till something breaks and then fighting a welder...with old sticky rod. Do yourself a favor and buy you a new Lincoln, Hobart or Miller AC-DC welder...they don't cost that much...you won't regret it. L8R....Fred OH

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Rod MI

08-27-2002 22:52:36




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
Don if you wont a stick welder I would go with Lincoln I love mine but I only have the AC model and mine has the copper windings the new ones have aluminum windings sow I would check with a few people that have the newer models and see how they hold up the links below mite help and the first link is the welder I would get if I whose looking for a stick welder good luck Rod MI

Lincoln AC/DC welder
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Welding Forums
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http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/forum_show.pl?markRead=1

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Rod MI

08-27-2002 22:59:20




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 Re: Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to Rod MI, 08-27-2002 22:52:36  
LINCOLN link



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Jeremy

08-27-2002 20:21:17




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 Re: what type welder to buy? in reply to don nc, 08-27-2002 14:46:36  
A good stick welder will deal with rust, paint, and other stuff on the metal better and still deliver a good sound weld. MIG welders will weld faster but the metal has to be clean (i.e. wire wheel.) You can also get flux cored wire for a MIG that is the same in concept to what a stick welder has. MIG welders using wire and gas also can't be used in windy areas as the shielding gas will be blown away leaving a defective weld.

Make sure to have your supplier set you up with the right electrodes or wire for what you're welding, vee out the part to be welded with a grinder so you get good deep penetration, and don't weld too fast. It's very common to see people weld too quickly, leaving a high rounded bead with little penetration.

The book "Welder's Handbook" by Richard Finch (ISBN 1-55788-264-9) is a good one to get you started.

In reality, you can do pretty much anything you want with a stick, MIG, or gas welder, a lot of it boils down to convenience, cost, and user preference.

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