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Gps saved me some surveying $

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rhudson

08-20-2002 09:48:14




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just want to relate that i finally found a "good" use for my gps. by using net sites like terriserver and topozone and the last survey plat, i was able to locate all but one of the boundry pipe sets. this was cut-over land that had ten years to grow up. i don't know how lewis and Clark did it. i could walk for 45 seconds and look back and not know my line of travel.

the one stake i could not find had been taken in by a state maintained road. (in halifax county, virginia dot likes to let the roads "grow" onto others property).

also on the gps. its handy to use to find the location of sites i visit to look at or pickup of tractors. by programming in the location (from a mapping program i have), i know when to slow down and look for driveways, etc. keeps me from having to pass the location and look for a spot to turn around a truck and trailor.

Thanks for reading

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Ichabod

08-21-2002 19:55:25




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 Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to rhudson, 08-20-2002 09:48:14  
If you buy one of the new units be sure it has the WAAS feature. Wide Area Augmentation System(?)(might be service) makes the unit accurate to about 3 meters (about 10 ft) instead of about 10 meters. I have an old Eagle Explorer and I have been using it to try to find corners on my Father's farm which was surveyed in '33. You will find that you can do better if you change your display to read UTM. It's actually a lot more accurate, but it means learning a little about it. You get two rows of numbers, the last few digits are the distance from a North-South line and an East-West line. I record the last 5 digits of each for each corner, then go to the next corner and do the same. I use my HP calculator to convert the coordinates of the two points into a vector, a line of some length with an angle. The angles will be in true, not magnetic degrees. Some more considerations: If you are trying to find points on a map you will have to change the GPS datum to the datum of the map, or it won't work out right. If you go back the next day and take readings at the same points, your readings will be a lot different. By taking many readings and calculating an average you start to approach the true reading. (Try averaging degrees, minutes, and seconds and you see why UTM is easier) If you are trying to mix in readings from a compass you need to throw in the magnetic deviation, or you could be off several degrees, like about 7, I think for my area. So if you are looking at a plat you need to find the mag. dev. for the year and month it was done. Without an auxiliary antenna it won't work very well under heavy tree canopy. Try googling for gps antennas. I have seen plans for several homebrew antennas.

I have been able to get within about 30 feet or so of most corners, which is not bad for a property line about 3000 feet long, and you can't see for more than 50 feet in some places. And after doing the averaging thing a lot more accurate than the plat drawn in '33. BTW, I don't think surveyors use a transit much anymore. They use this electronic thing which shoots a laser to a prism and back, then times it to calculate the distance. The unit has a built in computer and is accurate to a few millimeters in about 30 miles. I am NOT surveyor, so please don't crucify me.

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RayP(MI)

08-21-2002 07:02:15




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 Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to rhudson, 08-20-2002 09:48:14  
Yeah, have had a little experience playing with my son's Garmin GPS: Fun toys, but they're not about to replace a transit and tape measure. Latest experience was trying to lay out a pasture paddock for wife's sheep. About an acre in area, I finally resorted to a compass, square and a tape measure. GPS will get you in the ball park on a good day with several satellites visible, even down to a few feet, - Close enuff for hand grenades, but not close to exact for construction of buildings. OK to use, to check the previous survey markers, - maybe, but I wouldn't trust them for new surveying. You could easily be off several tens of feet! DeLorme has a program called "Street Atlas USA" which is a great program, have used it alot. It is supposed to be able to interface with the computer and GPS, but I have no experience with that feature. Does anyone have a source of external antennas for Garmin GPS units that don't cost an arm and a leg? Takes a standard BNC connector at the instrument, but apparently a specially cut receiving element at the external end. We've tried several miscellaneous whip antennas with no success! (What do you expect for a bunch of hams?)

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MAD DUC

08-28-2002 18:24:28




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to RayP(MI), 08-21-2002 07:02:15  
Go to www.tvnav.com . They have all the Garmin goodies you are looking for, like an antenna for $70.



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Russ

08-22-2002 13:33:01




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to RayP(MI), 08-21-2002 07:02:15  
Ray, try ebay for Garmin accessories. There are tons, some genuine Garmin, some aftermarket. I just bought some stuff from gpsgeek and the transaction and shipment were flawless. Russ



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big fred

08-21-2002 10:48:53




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to RayP(MI), 08-21-2002 07:02:15  
For precision work with GPS you need to reduce your multipath, and you can eliminate a lot by using a patch antenna with a series of RF chokes surrounding it. An antenna like that can cost several thousand, though, so it really isn't feasible for most. Seems like someone with a good solid RF background and a machine shop could whip something useable together for just a couple hundred. Unfortunately, that ain't me.

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Jim WI

08-21-2002 09:57:23




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to RayP(MI), 08-21-2002 07:02:15  
My understanding is that GPS can be used for surveying using a relative positioning method.

Here's a link to a site that gives information on how GPS Surveying works.



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Tim B

08-20-2002 19:31:05




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 Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to rhudson, 08-20-2002 09:48:14  
rhudson,

I'm looking for software to put on a lap top, with my GPS hooked up which will show me were I am on a detailed map in real time. I think it will be fun and useful when traveling. Is your software capable of this?



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gmci

08-22-2002 12:43:57




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to Tim B, 08-20-2002 19:31:05  
You might want to give Oziexplorer a try Link
I've>Link been using for forestry work for the past while and find it works better than the other software I have seen. There is even a link to nasa satellite imagery that you can download for free.



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rhudson

08-21-2002 06:37:24




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to Tim B, 08-20-2002 19:31:05  
Hi Tim,

i've got an old magellan 300 gps (bottom of the line). for road trips i use a mapping program by microsoft called streets and trips. it will give lat/long. for the land plat i used topo maps off the web at the location topozone.com and arial photos from terraserver.com. by scanning the plat of the survey into a photoshop program i was able to overlay the the images using known points of reference (roads, streams, houses, etc.). then with computer image in hand, i went back to topozone.com and their site will give Lat/long curser locations you request. fed this info into my gps and went for a hike with gps, sharp ditch blade and canteen. in most cased the gps put me within about 75 feet of the pipe sets. in one case i stopped and was looking around only to find the pipe set at my feet.

some of this land is really like jungle with wait-a-minute vines. this weekend i'm going to tape the gps to the rop on my small dozer and try to push a fence line about 4000 feet through the roughest of it. in this area the prop. line is a creek so the fence will be setback and accuracy is not so critical.

i know this a crude method and would like to hear from others on better and more percise methods (with cheap equipment).

Thanks

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big fred

08-20-2002 21:41:23




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 Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to Tim B, 08-20-2002 19:31:05  
Tim, I was just about to say you are probably stuck with Garmin software if you have a Garmin unit, probably the same with the others, but then I did a quick Google search for "garmin software" and came up with some shareware. Check out: GarTrip at>Link
Gardown>Link at>Link
Topografix>Link at>Link
Gartrack>Link (for sailors) at>Link
GPSS>Link at>Link

I>Link think of these, the one that will do what you are asking is Gartrip. It's a German product, so might be only good in Europe, but it's a start. I think I might have to get me a laptop now....

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big fred - even more

08-20-2002 21:50:45




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 Re: Re: Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to big fred, 08-20-2002 21:41:23  
I followed my Google search a little farther. This page has links, Garmap looks promising.



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kraig WY

08-20-2002 11:01:37




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 Re: gps saved me some surveying $ in reply to rhudson, 08-20-2002 09:48:14  
What kind of map program do you have. I have one of those GPS and am looking for way to convert regular maps to long/lat. without haveing to draw lines all over a map.

Them suckers are need. I use mine to lay out differant ranges for long distance rifle shooting and such. Always finding something else to use it on.



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