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LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert.

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Truck

08-13-2002 14:22:21




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I'm attempting to build a splitter for a home for troubled kids I'm a volunteer at... I thought we'd have TWO good splitters by now, but so far it's a wash.

Splitter one...Cost: $100, used. Rebuilt storage damaged 5 HP Briggs, installed trailer axle under it.single stage pump, no detent on valve body.3 inch cylinder, 18 inch stroke. Works well on smaller wood but just won't do the big stuff over 10 inches without "nibbling" at it. I have about $200 in it total.

Splitter two: Obtained free, was mounted on an old '55 chevy truck. has cylinder from some backhoe or dozer on it, yellow..looks like it is a 3.5 by 20 inch stroke. Weighs a TON.
Pump was operated off the PTO on the transmission by a driveshaft with U joints. I don't know the RPM..DOes anyone here?
Pump is a cessna. I had to take it apart to flip the backplate so it would turn the correct direction on the VAC I was driving it with.There were some scores in the housing and end wear plates.

Dual control valves, one running a crane cylinder at one point.

Problem: slow operation, and nowhere near enough pressure to split anything.

I am thinking the PTO is not running fast enough..The Eaton Pumps I saw on the net were rated at 4000 PSI at 3600 RPM. I'm only running it at 540 on the VAC, and it IS slowing it down some when it hits the log, so it is building some pressure.

So.. option one, replace the ram on splitter one with a 4 by 24 ram from Northern, and possibly install a 2 stage pump.... Option two.. different pump and possibly a pump and motor for the bigger splitter.
What would you do? Suggestions?
I'l post the pics of the PTO pump on my webshots page in a bit..

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Vic

02-03-2003 12:38:09




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 Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to Truck, 08-13-2002 14:22:21  
I reciently purchased a used log splitter. I put new wheel bearings in it and a new 8HP Briggs motor but now that it is running it dosent seem to have enough cylinder power. Would the problem be in the pump or the valve or should I be looking somewhere else? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I also replaced the hydralic oil filter.



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CASEPOWER

08-13-2002 17:27:10




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 Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to Truck, 08-13-2002 14:22:21  
Hey, A 3" cylinder usually has about 18,000 push at 2500 psi a 4" has 32,000 at 2500 psi. that would make a big difference. I still think a 2 stage pump would be nice. On no.2 most all of your old truck PTOs turn 100% of the engine. That meens if it idled at 700 that is what it ran unless it had a throttle to raise the pto. The PTO pump you are using looks like a vane pump. If you can give me the #s I may be able to tell you the GPM and PSI on it. I say change the pump on the tractor to a 540 RPM pump and change the other to a 4 inch cylinder and that don't meen you won't have to change to a 2 stage pump later..If there is anything I can help with let me know.

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Truck

08-13-2002 20:32:59




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 Re: Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2002 17:27:10  
I did the calculations on push and came up the same.. I'm just a little worried the cycle time will be a little slow. Northern has a cyl for around $100 that looks like it just might do it.

On no 2,it is definitely a gear pump. The pump numbers were on one of the pictures.I'll try to post them tomorrow.
Truck



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Pump Numbers, Cessna Pump

08-14-2002 14:06:41




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 Re: Re: Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to Truck, 08-13-2002 20:32:59  
On the end housing there is a casting number of 24500. Stamped into the flange it says: L24504 LAN and the next line says 36 33 BH Would a groove such as you would get from picking up a piece of metal in the gear teeth -probably 1/16 th of an inch deep and all the way around the one side of the pump housing cause a severe drop in pressure?
What is a typical tractor PTO Pump rated for in pressure and GPM?
Thanks again,
Truck

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CASEPOWER

08-14-2002 20:21:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to Pump Numbers, Cessna Pump, 08-14-2002 14:06:41  
I have the specs for the 25500 series but not the 24500. I will make a couple phone calls tomorrow and try to find something. I have also found that any damage in the pump can cause pressure loss. I tryed to replace a gasket that was about .002 thicker then the old gasket and I all but lost all the pressure. You can buy PTO pumps in a variety of sizes from 11.4 GPM to 21 GPM and I am sure larger if you look. most run 2250 PSI at 450rpm. I think you would be fine with a 11.4. By rule of thumb a cylinder uses pressure to work good and a hydraulic motor uses flow to work better. Unless you are planning to run a 5 or 6 inch cylinder with 3/4 lines going to them buy a small GPM pump.

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Truck

08-15-2002 06:34:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-14-2002 20:21:09  
If the pressure is 2250 at 450 rpm, will it rise at 540 rpm?
With the price of a PTO pump I'm tempted to get a motor powered 2 stage pump and a Briggs..Then we don't even need a tractor.
Thanks for all your help!
I had a feeling the scores were a problem.
Truck



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Fred OH

08-16-2002 12:21:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LOG SPLITTER DILEMMA- need hydraulic expert. in reply to Truck, 08-15-2002 06:34:19  
John Barnes two stage pump...11 gpm...5 hp motor of your choice direct drive coupled (plenty of power) and 4" x 24" cylinder is a good combination. Pump is a little over $100...maybe $120 at TSC. With a gage installed...most wood split at 700# or less. Has about 14 second cycle time... Cycle time on return of cylinder don't mean so much as you are usually tossing two pieces of wood somewhere or jockeying it for next position. More advise...stay out of the woods till the bugs leave. First frost or two oughta do it. L8R....Fred OH

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