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ChrisB.(Ohio)

08-09-2002 20:52:09




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Hello All, I am attending college in the fall for machining, and was wondering, how many machinist are out there? And, what kind of machining do you do, like CNC or automotive? Sorry about the little off topic, just wanted to see. All, and what kind of job availablity is out there for this field?
Thanks,
Chris




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Little Ed

08-17-2002 20:31:57




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
If you are going to school for machinists, then you will probably get good hands on training in lathe and millwork. I personally wouldn't make a pimple on a good machinists you know what, but I have been working in a mold repair shop and we have been haveing trouble finding good all around machinists. It seems that they have worked in a job shop for years, but have experience on one kind of machine. (lathe or verticle mill or boring mill, but not much cross training) Throw in a class or two on welding, also. The more skills you have the more marketable you are. look for Lindsay Publications on the web. They have reprints of old machining books as well as books on how to refurbish old machinery. When the opportunity presents itself to try something new, jump at it. you have to learn sometime. Good Luck just remember luck is where preparation meets opportunity

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KURT

08-11-2002 10:48:08




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
I am 33 years old and have been a toolmaker for about 6 years the other 8 years working have been building test equipment and testing prototype hydraulic components. By far I have liked the toolmaking the best. You would probably like to know If you will make good money, it depends on how much you bust your a$$ and how smart you are, or become. Some of the larger shops in my area of michigan pay better than 50K annually for tool makers with 10 years of experience.

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Al

08-11-2002 06:34:07




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
I am 38 and have been machining since I was 17.I work with manual machines for a engineering firm in the areospace/aviation field.I love what I do but seems to be a dieing trade,especialy here in silicon north,shame,but so much money to be had glued to a work cell,not for me,I encourage you.
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Al



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Farmer Tim *8N15513*

08-11-2002 03:47:47




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
Hello Chris-
Good for you! Basic Machining is a dying trade as far as new, younger students picking up on it and it's sad. I've been maching for over twenty-five years and started when I was seventeen. I have a degree in mechanical engineering now but my job is programming CNC turn-mills where I work. The CNC field is fascinating, however, in my encounters with younger guys, very few have the basic machining skills to function as a machinist. Most just want to operate and don't know how to program manually. The ones that are interested in programming can't/won't do it unless they are in front of a tube. Granted, the tube (CAD/CAM) systems are great for tricky countouring but if you don't know if the numbers it spits out are correct for instance on an angle if you punch in 15.5 degrees and the print says fifteen degrees five minutes, well you'd better know the difference! Like I said, it's sad because management isn't bringing in young apprentices to train in some of the other skilled trades either-grinding, manual lathes, bridgports, etc.
My advice-learn the basics first and then proceed to the CNC field. I tell my boss not to send me any nnew programmers unless they know SFM, RPM, FPR, IPM, DOC, TRIGONOMETRY, GEOMETRY, TOOLING, and much more...

tim d.

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Ray,IN

08-10-2002 23:16:54




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
I retired from toolmaking in 1992, and the demand for manual toolmaking was declining then.I'm from the old school of "do it all yourself from designing to final performance test. Most shops now have specialized personnel performing only one or two functions. I recently decided to work part-time and when I described how I worked, most toolroom owners would say " I've heard about you guys, but had'nt met any ". Talk about feeling old! If you're serious about this line of work, many universities/colleges now have machinist, and tool and die maker programs resulting in an associates degree. BTW, I've still got all my tools in storage; make you a great deal on them.

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ChrisB(Ohio)

08-11-2002 13:55:23




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 Re: Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to Ray,IN, 08-10-2002 23:16:54  
Thanks everybody for the replies. Ray, I am very interested. The college that I am attending offers it in a associated degree. The program is offical called Tooling and Machining. Ray, email me, I am very interested!!! And, who would make tools for machining?
Thanks,
Chris



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Ron_NY

08-11-2002 04:55:50




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 Re: Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to Ray,IN, 08-10-2002 23:16:54  
Ray, If you are serious about selling your tools, please contact me at roningber@hotmail.com. Thanks. Ron in Central New York



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Ford Man

08-10-2002 21:03:15




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
Chris,
I have been a machinist for about 20 years now . I consider myself a "real" machinist . Our CNC guys now can ONLY run CNC and little else . I made parts on conventional vertical and horizontal mills , surface and cylindrical grinders , engine and turret lathes for about 10 years before I ever got to touch the CNC mills . I worked with a lot of very talented guys who showed me a lot . I am pretty much self tought on the CNC and programmed and operated them ( Haas and Mori Seki ) for 5 years before moving into the office . The years of conventional made me a better CNC machinist . I know how to make quick and nasty setups to get the job done quickly . I think that I am one of the better machinists that came through our shop but I have been to some other shops and felt like the Rain Man after seeing the amazing stuff going on .

Right now times are pretty lean around here and I have heard that a lot of the shops up the Ohio area are really hurting but overall I think things will rebound . It is a noble trade .

My late Grandfather was one of the best machinists around and he always said "Anyone can make nothing out of something but it takes someone special to make something out of nothing " .

Good luck and study hard !

Ford Man

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Don Young

08-10-2002 20:43:33




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
If you have access to Usenet newsgroups, check out rec.crafts.metalworking.. It is mainly for hobby machinists, but lots of pros participate also. They know everything there is to know about machine shop work and equipment.



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John Humphrey Morocco Indiana

08-10-2002 14:49:02




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
Worked as a machinist and tool and die machinist. Now working as an electrican. My age is against me for getting a job at a large shop. You have the prospect of getting a job in a nice clean, air conditioned shop with good fringe if you are good at what they want. CNC, EDM (wire and plunge) and CAD skills after being a good machinist.



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jiml

08-10-2002 08:51:03




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 Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB.(Ohio), 08-09-2002 20:52:09  
I am a hobby machinist. I purchased a Craftsman lathe, restored it, and use it to make/repair parts for my tractors etc. I purchased a Sheldon lathe (13 x 48) restored it also, but have not yet used it. A friend purchased a used mill/drill, we have been learning/using it. It came w/dro, vises, dividing head, etc.



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ChrisB(Ohio)

08-10-2002 17:46:22




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 Re: Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to jiml, 08-10-2002 08:51:03  
Thanks guys for the replies. Jim where would I find an old lathe? I have look the classifieds and cant find any. And, how do you restore it? I know it is a dumb question, but just interested.
Thanks,
Chris



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Chester

08-11-2002 16:40:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to ChrisB(Ohio), 08-10-2002 17:46:22  
Check out the following;

www.homeshopmachinist.net/

www.chaski.com/cgi-bin/machine_index.cgi

www.groups.yahoo.com/southbend.

Also many other machining groups on Yahoo and lots of other good stuff out there for the pro as well as hobbiest.

Chester



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ChrisB(Ohio)

08-11-2002 20:58:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Any Machinists out there? in reply to Chester, 08-11-2002 16:40:53  
Thanks for the websites Chester, I will go and check them out.
Chris



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