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Hard Facing with a mig

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Farmer/Paul

08-05-2002 07:34:23




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I have been plowing wheat stubble and due to the extremely dry weather my plow points are taking a beating. I have a Triple K plow and the points are about 20 bucks each. Would hard facing be better/and cheaper using my mig than stick welding?




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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-06-2002 06:40:18




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 Re: Hard Facing with a mig in reply to Farmer/Paul, 08-05-2002 07:34:23  
Hi Paul,
This is an area that many people have questions about.

Hardfacing is practical if part life is increased substantially, and down time and/or labor savings in regard to part replacement can be realized.

Another consideration is the overall comparison of increased part life a given welding process can deliver. In other words, what process will yield the most substantial increase in part life?

When comparing arc welding processes, the wire fed machine will deliver superior deposit efficieny on average, and it may deliver better time savings in regard to actual weld time. (Some of the new high deposition SMAW electrodes will compete vigorously with the wire welders in deposition rates if the wire welder is in the short circuit mode.) Another consideration is the base metal composition. If interpass temps must be controlled, then actual welding time may not be much of a factor by comparison.

There is another process available today which brings yet another set of considerations to the table. These puddle torches and powders we have today, deliver an average of 4 times additional life to a wear part. (I have personally seen increases as high as ten times.) The basic factor here is lack of dilution of the hardface material into the substrate. The less penetration into the base material, the more pure the deposit. Another key factor which involves time spent applying the material, is the base material thickness, and required deposit thickness. For example, a puddle torch deposit is much faster and easier to apply on a thin edge, or a thin section, than an electric arc deposit. A torch applied overlay will also require far less deposit thickness(to achieve high hardness). A savings of both time and material. (Average deposit thickness is not recommended to be more than 1/32" in depth.) Overall hardness that is achieved with a torch, is by nature, superior to any arc process. To sum up, enhanced control over heat input and deposit thickness, combined with smooth deposit texture and superior deposit hardness, create a competitive process.

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T_Bone

08-05-2002 19:53:57




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 Re: Hard Facing with a mig in reply to Farmer/Paul, 08-05-2002 07:34:23  
Hi Paul,

I have not priced hard face consumables lately but if labor was free I would think it would cost you about $5 a piece to weld depending on how much welding needs to be done. Mig would be faster in this application. Depending on how much weld needs applied as to the wire spool size to the cost of the wire spool. Do you need it next year? Then a 50lb spool might cost more but cheaper in the long run. If welding flat look at .045 wire or 3/16" electrodes if you have enough machine.

On hardface electrodes be sure and look at what base metal prep needs to be done. Some electrodes require a prebase metal weld cover before a hard surface can be applied.

T_Bone

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Farmer/Paul

08-06-2002 04:10:29




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 Re: Re: Hard Facing with a mig in reply to T_Bone, 08-05-2002 19:53:57  
Thanks for the reply T_Bone, my mig is 200amp/60% duty cycle and the arc is an old Lincoln. Plenty of power with either. I am kind of Mr.Weld it for the neighbouring farmers. I will be welding points again next year. We also build up the shins and molboard for time to time as well.



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Seamo

08-06-2002 18:58:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Hard Facing with a mig in reply to Farmer/Paul, 08-06-2002 04:10:29  
I am a automotive machinist by trade. I use a spray torch that uses powder in different rockwell hardness you can use it on cast iron manifolds some use it on cyl head and block repair in that repair you have to preheat and post heat. You can use it for camshaft lobe repair,Cam lift(antique tractor cams) then you dont have to loose your base circle to get your lift.They also use it for hard surfacing cultivator sweeps, Plow points. The neat thing about it is you can lay .002 to .003 at a time if you want or more.It is super fast,And inexpensive. If you want more info E-mail me Earl in Illinois

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