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One more welder wiring question.

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Dodge

08-03-2002 19:27:16




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In my earlier post, I explained how I plan to hook up my Lincoln, AC 225 stick welder. A short wire run from the main panel to the outside of the house.
My question is in my main house panel the ground bar and neutral bar are connected, so do I still ground the welder on the ground bar in the main panel??? even if its connected to the neutral?? Or would it be safer to drive 2 ground rods 8 feet deep , and ground the welder with these, and just avoid the main panel ground bar all together??? I just want to be safe, The wife will be real ticked off if when she touches the faucet, dryer or other stuff and gets a little jolt!!! Thanks in advance for the info on this guys.

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paul

08-04-2002 22:09:31




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 Re: One more welder wiring question. in reply to Dodge, 08-03-2002 19:27:16  
You can get some good guide books for $5-10 at your local bigger hardware store that will explain this grounding business to you. It would be difficult to do a good job of it here in a short forum message, and it is relatively important that you understand the point of bonded & unbonded, etc. There is a reason to NOT seperatly ground your welder, and a reason that the ground & neutral are _only_ connected in your main box. It is beyond my knowledge to explain it well, but it is something you should get a handle on before you do more damage than good...

I'd say the $10 would be a real good investment, if you don't want a real electrician involved.

--->Paul

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Bill Oakes NY

08-06-2002 06:06:17




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 Re: Re: One more welder wiring question. in reply to paul, 08-04-2002 22:09:31  
Hi Paul,

Maybe I can help. The reason multiple grounds are not a good idea (not allowed by National Electric Code) is that there can be a potential difference (voltage) between them. This sets you up to get a shock when you get between two "grounded" objects.

As for only connecting grounds to neutrals in the service panel - the neutral is grounded at the service equipment to limit stray voltages (above nominal voltage) in the local system. To explain why grounds shouldn't be tied together anyplace other than the service, I need to refute a common fallacy. We've all heard that "electricity follows the path of least resistance". Electricity follows all paths of conductance. Current flow will be inversely proportional to the resistance in each path. If you have a ground wire, which is tied to the neutral at the service, and it is also tied to the neutral at another point remote from the service, these two wires will form a parallel circuit. Normal circuit current will flow on the ground wire, which is always a bad, for a number of reasons. This is "foundational" and should be understood before doing any electrical work (above 12 volts, that is). I hope this helps.

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SteveB

08-03-2002 19:33:28




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 Re: One more welder wiring question. in reply to Dodge, 08-03-2002 19:27:16  
Ground it in the fuse boxwith the other grounds.
That's all you need.



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