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VaTom

07-30-2002 17:02:47




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Hello all,
Did a search here and found glowing reports on Leeson and GE motors, not so for Marathon and Grainger. I need to buy a single phase 5 hp soon. Prices are all over the place. Anything wrong with Baldor, the current low price leader? I also see quite large current differences (over 25%), all for a 184T frame. Experiences?




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VaTom

07-31-2002 18:30:43




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 Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-30-2002 17:02:47  
Thanks everybody for the suggestions. This'll actually be my first new motor purchase. Can't quite believe I'm reduced to that. I'm replacing a 7 1/2 hp in a table saw for which I don't want to deal with a large enough phase converter- or use my 3 phase generator every time I turn it on. Been looking for too long now and have tired of tripping over an extra saw. Gotta get rid of the little one (unisaw) but need a motor for the larger one first.

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T_Bone

07-31-2002 19:44:34




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 Re: Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-31-2002 18:30:43  
Hi Tom,

Do you feel you know less now than you did before? LMAO

At least we all agree that geaseable ball bearings are tops on our list.

Could be why different brands work best in on place and not another is the humidity they work in. Here in AZ where it's dry we don't see alot of large motor failures other than just being worn out.With that being said, Emmerson and Marthon both in the 3/4hp class work and last well in swamp coolers, copper wound. Not the same class motor as the 5hp your after but they work well in high humidity.

Good luck in your hunt!

Have you ran accross a supplier just for cast iron tables? Not the complete saw.

T_Bone

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VaTom

08-01-2002 04:43:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to T_Bone, 07-31-2002 19:44:34  
Hey T_Bone,

Not much consensus on this one, eh? My experience with motors is they all last practically forever. Only ones I've had to replace were older than I am- but maybe not as old as you. Looks like I'll be buying on price (lowest).

I used to be able to pick up rejected castings from the Rockwell foundry in Ohio. But that's been a lot of years. Still have a couple of tools manufactured by guys who took the rejected-and broken- castings, repaired them and put together decent tools. My wood lathe's withstood a lot of vibration without failure. Wish I could weld that well.

A friend picked up an immense saw with tilting top at an auction years ago. Not worth much to him now that he's used to a unisaw, but it'd be a small fortune to ship to the desert. Don't forget, you also need the trunnion. That's the only way I know to get a top anymore. My 12-14" Rockwell only cost me $350 at auction due to its being 3 phase. And that saw you can bolt most any motor to, unlike the unisaw. Now that I think about it, you weld well enough to make a unisaw mount out of a std motor (not something I'd try) which gives you a possibility of picking up a 3 phase unisaw cheap. Those motors run around $400.

Your problem, obviously, is your location for finding auctions with 3 phase tools. Gotta hit the road for that. Ohio has the best auctions to my experience.

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Greg AZ

07-31-2002 17:26:34




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 Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-30-2002 17:02:47  
My experience with electric motors of different brands comes from the consumer end, not as a professional servicing motors. I bought a Marathon ten horsepower motor for my Quincy air compressor, that, so far, has been working well. It has greaseable end bearings and it totally enclosed fan cooled (TEFC). I ordered it as a high torque motor like those used in farm-duty applications that start under full load, although my compressor has a working unloader on it. I have GE motors, Dayton motors and one Emerson, all on fans that I use in the shop to move air around while I am working. The GE runs so hot you can't lay your hand on it, but has been doing so the five years I have owned it without apparent problems. The Emerson is on a blade fan in an air-over application and gets hot enough to shut down if it sits in the sun and runs!! I have not had good luck with Emerson motors. Around here, Daytons are the most expensive, with Emerson being the least expensive and the others somewhere in between. I chose Marathon for my Quincy, since that is what the local dealer uses and recommends and service and warranty considerations swung the pendulum in their favor. My two cents..... Greg

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JoeK

07-30-2002 21:02:26




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 Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-30-2002 17:02:47  
Just make sure the motor you get is rated for your job,ie:compressor duty etc.A lot of carryout farm stores etc have no idea of the variances of types.A 5hp 184T is just A 5hp 184T to them regardless of any other specs as to starting/duty/service class/sealed/open. And just a thought,the last 2 I've bought,I've saved quite a bit on by buying used.We have a great professional motor shop about 30 miles away that actually does complete electric motor servicing,rebuilding,repair.They are also one of the major compressor(all size) dealers in the area and usually have a good supply of used "checked out" motors on hand.Quite a savings for farmers and small operators in the area.

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Kevin

07-30-2002 20:04:01




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 Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-30-2002 17:02:47  
I have been around most of these brands for twenty years and have found that for low Rpm motor drives, the GE was indestructable. Leeson not so. For blower drives, again GE was a champ, closely followed by Baldor. I was not exposed to Emerson, so cannot comment about them. Of course, times change and who knows where this stuff comes from anymore...



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Mac

07-30-2002 18:14:47




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 Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-30-2002 17:02:47  
Tom: Years ago we used baldor and GE both in our plant. I always favored the baldor, seems to just be a better motor and we had some big-uns. But never had any GE problems either Could grease the large baldors tho..I dont know if the quality has changed much over the years however.



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T_Bone

07-30-2002 17:18:57




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 Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to VaTom, 07-30-2002 17:02:47  
Hi tom,

I never really had a problem with any brand but the Baldor usually had oiled bearings that I like. I don't like sealed bearings. Emmerson is another good brand. If there boxed when received besure to check endplay and bearing spin. If a motor was bad it usually had a problem out of the box, misalign bearing, missing cap, etc. but not very often.

T_Bone



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Mark Kw

07-31-2002 05:24:14




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 Re: Re: Electric Motor Brands in reply to T_Bone, 07-30-2002 17:18:57  
I'll go along with Kevin about slow speed motors (under 1725 rpm), for these GE is the way to go without a doubt. For light duty non-critical applicaions such as blowers and fans, the Grainger brand Daytons are the most cost effective, cheap to buy and last a long time. Heavier duty applications liek compressors and pumps, I have side with Leeson especially in damp or weather exposured areas. Had two in a plant sump pit run 2/3 of the way submerged in water for nearly a week before someone realized there was a problem in the pit. No damage and they continued to operate untouched for another three years 24/7 till the plant such down operations.

Much the same with GE's even though I have not seen one of these get the partly submerged test...yet. Many of these around for lots of years still chugging away day after day in all sorts of applications.

Baldor is so-so in my book. Some seem to last forever and some die rather quickly with no good reason. One plant I frequently do work at had many of these with an excellent dedicated PM department yet many failures on them led to replacement with Leeson and GE's.

Mitsubishi also builds some great motors however they are hard to come by and even harder to get parts for. Hold up very well and I'd place them one step above both Leeson and GE for user friendliness and durability in the 1725 and 3450 rpm ranges.

Reliant has to be my first choice in DC drives. Westinghouse are right up there with GE for multi-use applications and durability. Century and Marthon are cheap throw-away's in the same class as Dayton. Magnatek's are ok from what I've seen in my limited exposure to them.

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