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Al

07-27-2002 16:16:59




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I,ve been learning to weld with my new Miller 225 AC stick welder. Strange, but I find it kind of exciting. Started with what the sales person recommended a Lincoln 6013 general purpose, clean weld and low penetration. I then swithed. I wanted to try a 6010 as recommened on this site however I was told that this was a DC only rod so bought 6011. Made a BIG difference in my learning to weld as the better penetration gave me an easier puddle to practice with, also gave me confidence in my weld strenght so that I could do a small project. A lot of the good advice I've gotten on this site only becomes AMAZINGLY clear and useful after I practice a bit with my welder. Thanks again for the advice and be patient with us learners. Al

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T_Bone

07-27-2002 16:59:48




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 Re: Welding in reply to Al, 07-27-2002 16:16:59  
Hi al,

Most new rop burners usually weld to cold with 6013 hence the shallow penetration. Given time you will go back to 6013 as it does have it's purpous and is a good all around AC rod.

There are AC rated 6010 and 7018 electrodes. The majority are for DC only. So you didn't get all the correct info from your salesman. Some welding suppliers cater to the DC group as there more popular and takes less inventory. Glad you got some useful info from the website. Theres a great deal of knowledge from all the posters.

T_Bone

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Ford Man

07-27-2002 20:30:00




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 Re: Re: Welding in reply to T_Bone, 07-27-2002 16:59:48  
T_Bone,
I had a Miller 225 AC for many years and used a lot of 6013 rods with decent results . I recently traded up for a factory serviced Miller AC/DC Thunderbolt ( had to throw in $ 50 on the deal ) .

I have 2 questions .

First , you said most of us weld too cold with 6013 . What is a good averge amperage to use for 1/8" 6013 rods ? I had always been told that the decimal equiv. of the rod size was a good rule of thumb so I ran right around 125 amps . What do you recomend ?

Second , never done any DC welding yet . What is a good all around rod for your basic welding ( angle iron , mild steel , etc. ) ?

Thanks in advance !

Ford Man

PS. - Al , enjoy your new welder ! I have enjoyed mine ! You have come to the right place for good advice . (Not from me , but from the guys who can really help ! )

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T_Bone

07-28-2002 06:57:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding in reply to Ford Man, 07-27-2002 20:30:00  
Hi Ford Man,

That is a good rule. Dials are a guess-o-ment of where to set a machine for futher refference. 130amp setting on mine might be a 135amp setting on yours.

When having any problems with any type of electrode always start at higher amps then start cutting down amps when you see problems from too much heat, ie; flux pre-flaking off the electrode
excessive weld splatter
loose of weld puddle control
Most of the above can be corrected with arc length and travel speed BEFORE turning down amperage. A close arc length will give extreamly good weld puddle control and contour.

Type of steel, moister content, humidity, cleaned joint or scaled joint, mostier content of the electrode, will all effect at what temperature a weld puddle is at. Temperature not being a refference to numbers but as to molten flow of the weld puddle.

Hard to beat Chemtron 7018. That is the finest all around electrode I've ever used.

Lincoln P5 or 6010 is another excellant electrode.

These are brand specific rods. Other electrode brands will not weld the same. 1/8" is a good size.

I have been known to carry a very hot weld puddle but one time I was taking a certification test and the test instructor did a 3/8" vertical plate test while I was there. That man carried twice the heat that I even considered. At the time I didn't think anyone would weld hotter than me. T_Bone

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Chester

07-31-2002 15:43:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding in reply to T_Bone, 07-28-2002 06:57:48  
A really smooth flowing and easily cleaned up rod is Pt. No. 01621 made by US Forge. There is no specific type specified but has all the advantages of 6013's and others and the slag just cleanly falls off. The size is 3/32" X 14" and is the one I mostly use with my Lincoln AC225 buzz box. These rods showed up as surplus ( from Lowes ) here in Toronto, so I don't know where they might be found. But worth looking for.

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