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MIG WELDER ADVICE

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Greg

07-21-2002 19:12:25




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Hey. I'm looking at buying my first mig welder and was looking for some advice on this unit:

For use with or without gas. Comes with welding torch, tip, grounding cord with clamp, brush/hammer, hand held welding mask and manual. Made by Chicago Electric. Input: 21 amps @ 230V Max Open Circuitry Voltage: 36V Welding current range: 30-120 amps Duty cycle: 15% @ 115 amps Draws 15 amps @ 230V; Max. open circuit voltage: 36V Use welding wire: .023" to .030" steel & stainless steel, .030" to .035" flux core & aluminum

Any thoughts? If this isn't a good brand, anybody have any idea where I can get a 230VAC MIG?

Greg

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Mark

07-31-2002 00:53:35




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 Re: MIG WELDER ADVICE in reply to Greg, 07-21-2002 19:12:25  
I bought and used the Chicago brand welder you described. It works great for 1/8" steel and thicker steel with multiple passes. I still own it but now I also own and use a Hobart Mig with gas.

Here are a couple of items you will want to know. The low cost brand has a very short duty cycle, as I recall, it's about a minute or so. I had exceeded that several times and have to wait 15 minutes for it to cool off and reset itself. One reason for the low duty cycle is that there is no cooling fan. As a novice welder, I did not mine the low duty cycle.

Another thing is that even though it advertises that you can use gas, you will discover a myriad of obstacles including, finding the right parts and the excessive additional cost. So plan to use it with gasless wire. The weld will seldom look smooth (or was that me?).

Despite the wire and amp controls, I found it next to impossible to weld sheet metal. Again, I didn't mind in lieu of the low price. I would not recommend buying that unit for auto body work.

On the plus side, it is easy to pick up and move to a job site with one hand. The stinger is only 6 feet long instead of 12 feet but I did not mind that in light of the low cost.

The Chicago brand is good for general 1/8" utility welder when a smooth finish is not required.

The same size welder in the Hobart brand cost me $600. It has the longer cords, long duty cycle, comes with gas for smooth finish welding of sheetmetal, etc. However, I would not hesitate to use the Chicago welder for 1/8" steel if my Hobart broke down.

Mark

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Dale

07-22-2002 07:54:57




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 Re: MIG WELDER ADVICE in reply to Greg, 07-21-2002 19:12:25  
Anyone looking at new MIG welders is really missing something by not looking at HTP welders, 1 800 USA WELD. We've had ours for more than 3 years and use it a lot, many rolls of wire, etc, welds better than Miller or Lincoln. They only sell factory direct so initial cost is substantially less and service(we only needed parts that we wore out)is better than any Miller or Lincoln dealer in our area can provide. They are built in Illinois. Check them out, Dale.

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T_Bone

07-22-2002 15:47:24




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 Re: Re: MIG WELDER ADVICE in reply to Dale, 07-22-2002 07:54:57  
Hi Dale,

Now thats a new machine I haven't heard of. You have a website for them? I'd like to take a look.

T_Bone



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Greg

07-22-2002 16:23:16




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 Re: Re: Re: MIG WELDER ADVICE in reply to T_Bone, 07-22-2002 15:47:24  
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Dan

07-22-2002 01:35:50




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 Re: MIG WELDER ADVICE in reply to Greg, 07-21-2002 19:12:25  
Greg,
This is a low quality import machine. Hobart, Miller, and Lincoln make a much better machine. Hobart/Miller have excellent customer service. Hobart also has a welding talk forum. Hobart website is WWW.Hobartwelders.com. Hobart and Miller are part of the same corporation. Hobart line is oriented toward home hobbiest and Miller line is more industrial.
The Hobart machine to look at is the Handler 175. The machine or machines to look at on the Miller line would be the Millermatic 175 or the Millermatic 210. Of the aboved mentioned machines I have the Handler 175 and the Millermatic 210, and a very satisfied with both machines. To be honest though If the MM 175 had existed when I bought my HH 175 I would have went with the MM 175 instead. If your looking for an online purchase WWW.cyberweld.com has about the best prices. almost forgot, Millers website is WWW.Millerwelds.com

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T_Bone

07-22-2002 03:11:10




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 Re: Re: MIG WELDER ADVICE in reply to Dan, 07-22-2002 01:35:50  
Hi Greg,

Like Dan suggested I would only stay with the top brands and on wire machines Miller is usually best over the rest of them. Some of the off brands use there own "special" tips and guns so you can only buy there products to work with there equipment whereas Miller and Lincoln use common tips and liners.

Although the cheaper machines will weld adaquote, there not in the same class as the more expensive machines.

Thats very true in high grade Mig machines as very few can hold water with Miller as far as arc stability.

T_Bone

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