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DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor

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Andy

07-10-2002 18:57:36




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My son brought this huge upright compressor into our lives now I need to hook it up. I am planning on connecting to 220 breaker. What wire do I use and precautions should I take?




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Greg AZ

07-16-2002 08:47:28




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 Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Andy, 07-10-2002 18:57:36  
I have a ten horsepower Quincy compressor, wired with #8 wire and hooked to a 50 amp breaker. The motor is rated at 41 amps at full load, and pulls 28 amps at 120 psi. I talked to several electricians (avoid union electricians like the plague, or you will spend thousands on a simple job)and finally found one with good old not-so-common sense who advised me correctly and in language that I could understand. Although I have done a considerable amount of electrical work for myself, there were components necessary with this large compressor that were foreign to me, especially magnetic starters. Most electricians I spoke with stated flatly that I could not power a ten horsepower motor with single phase 220 and be able to afford the power bill. Their theory, probably correct, was that one needed to figure two to three times nameplate amps for starting amps. That meant that my 41 amp motor would require 123 amps to start! The truth is that although it may require 123 amps to start, that high amperage is only required for a fraction of a second and then it's over. Then, the good old union electrician tried to sell me a 500 dollar magnetic starter to make the motor run. I went to a compressor shop and bought a used one for $35. Works great. Bottom line is that I have a ten horse compressor, running on single phase 220, with a 50 amp breaker. Runs fine, runs cool, costs about $5 a month to run. Do your research, use common sense, and when something somebody tells you doesn't sound right to you, ask somebody else. Research is fine, but it can drive you nuts. Good luck and enjoy your big compressor. All the best.....Greg

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Denny

07-29-2002 13:41:41




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 Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Greg AZ, 07-16-2002 08:47:28  
Greg AZ, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of the 2002 National Electrical Code and follow the NEC rules. With only the little information you have provided about your air compressor installation I can see code violations ! I would refer you to article 430 of the NEC. Look under section 430.148 and you will find that the full load current of a 10 hp. motor @230 volts is 50 amps and not 41 as you claim. Then go to section 430.22 and you will find that you have undersized your wire feeding the motor. I will not get into the ground fault protection or grounding as you did not provide any information on that. This board is for helping others who write in with problems and not for knocking union electricians, as they are the best trained in the business with a five year apprenticeship and over 2000 hours of day schooling and 200 night hours that they must take on their own before they can graduate and obtain their journeymens card. Now if you have to tear it all out and do it over how much money did you save?

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Neil

07-16-2002 09:49:02




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 Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Greg AZ, 07-16-2002 08:47:28  
You are only loading the motor to about 7HP.
With the exception of strtup, a motor will only draw the amount of power it is putting out. (yes, this is a aproximation)



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Greg AZ

07-17-2002 08:51:47




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 Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Neil, 07-16-2002 09:49:02  
Neil....You are absolutely right. When I bought my Quincy, some moron had put an 8 1/2 inch pulley on the motor, causing the compressor to be overdriven to the point that it was actually too fast! With myself and a bodyman both using air tools, the compressor would run and then shut off several times an hour. The recommendation that I got was that the motor should run enough to only shut down no more than three times per hour and then restart. So I changed the drive pulley to a 7 inch, slowed down the compressor, and it still puts out more air than I can use. And it only restarts 3 or 4 times an hour under heavy use. It runs continuously otherwise. The upside (or downside) is that I have a 10 horse motor doing the job of a 7 1/2 . It kinda loafs along and should last forever. All the best..... .Greg

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Neil

07-17-2002 14:21:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Greg AZ, 07-17-2002 08:51:47  
Damn I'm Good!!

Well no one else was going to say it, and my ego requires I hear it at leaset once a day. :)

Just teasing, it's been a long week! (and its only Wednesday)



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Greg AZ

07-20-2002 08:36:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Neil, 07-17-2002 14:21:30  
Neil..... ...Yep, you are damn good!! There, I said it. Hope your bruised ego is all better now. I'm just teasing, too. Thanks for your input and all the best..... ...Greg



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T_Bone

07-14-2002 02:08:40




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 Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Andy, 07-10-2002 18:57:36  
Hi Andy,

The best thing you can do if you want to learn is to buy some books on electricity. After studying and you think your ready to tackle the job, run around your neighborhood and find a license electrician working in your area and offer to pay him come help you make this install.

This way your assured you'll have it wired correct with the correct size wire and your faimly will thank you for it.

Wiring by internet will only get someone killed!

T_Bone

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Al English

07-15-2002 14:30:38




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 Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to T_Bone, 07-14-2002 02:08:40  
"Wiring by internet will only get someone killed!"

Hey come on T_Bone, it's Darwinism at its finest...Al English



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Junkman

07-11-2002 19:09:13




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 Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Andy, 07-10-2002 18:57:36  
You need heavier wire than 12/3. My 5 horse compressor is on #8 wire and it is only 6-8 feet from the breaker. I believe my instruction book called for a #6 wire. Go to DeVilbiss' website and see what they recommend or get their phone number and call them.



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Neil (Not an electrician)

07-12-2002 07:34:02




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 Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Junkman, 07-11-2002 19:09:13  
If it is a real 5HP motor, then you might need 10, but 8 is overkill.
I was assuming (I know, my bad!) that is was the typical 60 Gal with a 5-7 HP rating and an SPL lable on the motor.
Most of these don't go ovber 20 A, and 12 is fine for that as long as the run is not real long. (100 to 200 feet.)

Post what is on the caompressor, and motor information tags, and you can get a much better answer.

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Junkman

07-13-2002 20:53:39




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 Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Neil (Not an electrician), 07-12-2002 07:34:02  
I run my light and outlet circuits on #12 wire, how can you expect to run 220 on that. I just cant see how you can expect it to live. It makes no sense to me. My dryer is on #10 i believe, the range is also on 10. I don't think I have ever seen a 220 line done with #12.



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We

07-14-2002 08:16:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Junkman, 07-13-2002 20:53:39  

See that you don"t know much about watts x volts =amps, the true way to find a line load. YES 12 guage can carry 220 volt, depending onthe load and the distance.



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Junkman

07-14-2002 19:58:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to We , 07-14-2002 08:16:20  
You are right, I don't know much about electric. What I do know is how my 5 horse compressor is wired and how it is supposed to be wired. You can't argue with what I do know, which is what my original post was about!!!!! !!!!!



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Junkman

07-13-2002 20:45:28




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 Re: Re: Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Neil (Not an electrician), 07-12-2002 07:34:02  
Neil, My compressor has to have a 50 amp breaker as it pulls 75 amps to start. #8 wire is not as large as the manufacturer spec'd. Not all 5 horse compressors are created equal!!



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Neil (Not an electrician)

07-11-2002 06:48:17




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 Re: DeVilbiss 60 gal air compressor in reply to Andy, 07-10-2002 18:57:36  
Get some 12-3 w/G,
a two pole 20A breaker,
Either an outlet box with a 20A receptical,
or,
a 220 V two pole disconnect.
and
a cheap book on home and farm wiring (best $7 in you can spend).



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