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Cheap Storm Cellar?

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Richie Magoo

07-08-2002 18:44:19




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O-K all you construction type guys!

I live in a mobile home, and want to build a storm cellar..... for CHEAP.

Anyone have any ideas? Using a septic tank is about the best I could come up with. Also thought of using concrete blocks....but it would take me forever, I just know! (and would probably be expensive....having to pour footings, floor and roof)

Anyone have any better ideas? Any one ever use a septic tank?

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Ichabod

07-10-2002 09:20:48




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
Go into www.google.com and search for STORM SHELTER and SAFE ROOM. You'll get loads of good ideas. You will also find lots of prebuilt shelters that are reasonably priced. If I were putting something underground I would have to set some really strong timbers around the entrance so that a house or car falling on the door would not trap me inside.

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John Ne.

07-09-2002 21:38:03




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
Couple of more thoughts on a shelter, how about more than one entry, in case part of the house lands on the hatch? And keep a bag of old clothes and shoes in there, as half the storms come in the night, at least you'd have something to put on come morning. Down in Kansas in tornado alley, at least one county has a building code for a solid concrete cap on basements, so the entire basement is a shelter. John in Nebr.

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Richie Magoo

07-09-2002 21:58:54




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 Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to John Ne., 07-09-2002 21:38:03  
I'd never thought about that...err...uh....those (spare clothes and extra exit). Very good! (Maybe for dramatic effect, I could find an old tux...and keep it down there. Picture me emerging from the rubble in a top hat! .....I'll have to learn how to do a good impersonation of Mr. Howell from Gilligans Island: "Ewwwww....manual labor, how dreadful, my boy!"))

Thanks to everyone who has answered so far!

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Jim in Michigan

07-09-2002 21:07:51




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
I am in Northern Michigan and dont have to deal with tornados,which is good since I am claustrophobic and couldnt stand being in a shelter, but I think that a old fuel tank would be great. I have seen tons of them here made into storage sheds. Those large tanks are pretty tough,, I would cut out a door or a top hatch, then bury the thing part way in the ground, make vents and a place for lighting and storage. Then I would take some heavy cables and run them across the whole thing to posts buried deep in the ground and use the cables to hold it down. Most salvage yards have these old tanks. best way I have heard of to cut the doors is to fill the tank with water and then cut the holes. this stops any left over fuel or fumes from igniting and also works to rinse it out,,, Just a thought,,,,Jim

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Frank M.

07-09-2002 18:25:33




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
Speaking of septic tanks... Did you hear that Texas A&m recently bought 1000 used septic tanks? As soon as they figure out how to drive them, they're going to invade Mexico.



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Richie Magoo

07-09-2002 19:59:20




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 Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Frank M., 07-09-2002 18:25:33  
That belongs right up there with that great wise saying of Confucious:

"He who farts in church.....sits in own pew!"



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kjm

07-09-2002 16:39:57




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
Just rember the pre-cast have to have a footing to bolt to so they don`t float when the ground soaks up with water.



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Richie Magoo

07-09-2002 18:16:38




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 Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to kjm, 07-09-2002 16:39:57  
Really? I didn't know that! Thanks!

Even in heavey clay soil?



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T_Bone

07-09-2002 18:31:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-09-2002 18:16:38  
Hi Richie,

Yep it will in any soil.

Back in the days of the "old" gold miners they would put there blacksand in a bucket with water into a wagon for the trip down the mountain. What they found is the flower gold would seperate out of the blacksand to the top of the bucket. The other sand particles would push the gold to the top even tho it was heavier thus the term "floating the gold".

They also have experminted with building ships out of concrete as it's water displacement that causes a boat to float. A concrete culvert is nothing more than a land bound boat waiting to float if given enough water!

T_Bone

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John Ne.

07-09-2002 10:10:32




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
I'd look for someone that works in the city yards, where one could get a five foot diameter concrete storm drain section cheap, imperfect or cracked. Cast concrete, Then at least half bury it in the ground, concrete or steel plate on the back end, and a steel door on your access end, be sure to have the steel door swing in, the vacuum when a twister passes overhead is something fantastic, the concrete should protect one from the 100mph wind blown objects. Personally if I could I'd get a surplus armored personel carrier, and park it behind the house. Dont' think the wife would go for it though. John in Nebr.

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Richie Magoo

07-09-2002 14:43:53




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 Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to John Ne., 07-09-2002 10:10:32  
Yes, John, Great idea! If I could find a big ol' storm drain pipe that'd be ideal! I wonder if a precast place might even have one? (surprisingly, the pre-cast places around here dont carry the pre-cast shelters).

>>>"the vacuum when a twister passes overhead is something fantastic"<<<<

Yeah.....I hear that. A local guy was telling me about his friends' experience during a tornado in this area a few years ago (before I lived here). The guy went down his basement, where he had built a re-inforced concrete shelter. His dog was just in the regular basement part, and the house took a direct hit- the poor dog got sucked up and away- and the out-swinging door on the shelter part of the basement almost got sucked away. I love my dog.....and you can bet, when I'm in my shelter, she'll be in there too!

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Ludwig

07-09-2002 06:10:03




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
We've got a septic tank at the rod and gun club for target storage. It also serves as base for one end of the running deer target line. Its especially handy for that as bolts were cast into the top to bolt the motor to.
Ours is especially great as we've got a good heavy steel door set on it. Its the ONLY building at the club that hasn't been broken into. I think this is for two reasons, one is that the door is really heavy with good protection around the lock, and its kind of hard to spot where its sunk into the bank off to the side of the range. It is a little freaky being inside while running the running deer target and watching the target get shot.

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hay

07-09-2002 05:21:35




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
septic tank would be great, just make sure it has not been used. ha ha ha. seriously, i would contact any company that makes tanks and ask them if they make a type of in-ground storm cellar. i don't know where you are located, but there is a septic tank manufacturer near magnolia, texas and they have all kinds of septic tank and related tanks on their lot.



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wrenchman

07-08-2002 23:07:20




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
my uncle has a round feed bin set sideways into a hillside on his place...8'dia x 12'long corrugated galvanized steel.he got it used for $100.oo...he put benches(2 2x8s)down each side to sit on & hook in top to hang lantern...



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DON LC

07-08-2002 19:30:32




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
Before county water came by the house ,our home has a cistern for water storage....10'wide x25'long X 7' high....We cleaned it out removed the filter,knocked a door way into our basement...I painted it white added shelving .We use it for storage and a place to go during a bad storm.....



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bbott

07-08-2002 19:05:48




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 Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 18:44:19  
I've thought this over too.. here's what I considered to be a cheap and quick design.

Piece of 5' culvert, 6' long.. vertically buried 5' in the ground. (1' sticks abover ground to prevent flooding). Simple plywood floor over some gravel.

Steel plate door and a sturdy inside latch. Vent holes cut in culvert 6" above ground level.

Couple of ladder rungs welded on the inside.

Sealed plastic box of emergency stuff (lights, water, candy bars, blankets first aid kit).

Paint door emergency orange and put some reflective stickers on it so it can be easily found in a power outage.

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Richie Magoo

07-08-2002 20:43:42




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 Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to bbott, 07-08-2002 19:05:48  
Hey (A)bbott!

Culvert you say? .....Hmmmm....now that gives me some ideas!

Where can one purchase 5' culvert? I think I would try and figure out a way to use it horizontal-like..... as the ladder thing would be difficult for my elderly mother and my dog. Maybe stick it into a hilside, with one end exposed.....build end walls.

This has possibilities!

Thanks!



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paul

07-08-2002 21:19:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Cheap Storm Cellar? in reply to Richie Magoo, 07-08-2002 20:43:42  
Should you happen to find a 1000 gallon or so metal tank that doesn't have horrid fuel smells in it.... No need to build end walls.

In tornado alley septic tank builders make precast shelters.

I think I've also seen plastic (strong plastic) ones as well.

Pressure treated basement lumber would be pretty easy to work with to make a 8x8 box.... supposed to last for 50 years.

--->Paul



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