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Chopper

07-03-2002 18:16:08




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Am puttin up a pavilion to keep some machinery out O the weather.

Don't know what to use on the roof. Don't want the EXTRY expense for double trusses, sheeting and shingles, and sure don't like the idea of all that labor (Hayin now). Don't want to use tin as (Folks around here shoot holes thru shinny stuuf).

Have seen a product called ONDURA. Its a corrugated asphalt composite material, however, can't get any oponions on it. (Its new around these parts)

Anyone have any pros/cons on this material, or any other tips or suggestions???

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Chopper

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Ludwig

07-08-2002 14:20:07




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
Of course it all depends on where you are... Around here (New England) it'd be either tin or roll roofing.
I like double lap on the roll, everybody I know laughs at that but my folk's house has it and doesn't leak and I didn't have to spend half the time with the tar brush. When I do my camp roof in september I'll use double lap and two rows of the ice and snow guard at the bottom.

Of course if you REALLY want it to blend it do cedar shakes and the spray with water seal.

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Nellie

07-06-2002 05:01:52




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
ONDURA? I didn't think they made it anymore after the class action lawsuit against the Co. about 4 or 5 years ago. I have one half of my 100 yr old barn roofed with it. The problem with the stuff is it needs to be painted about every 5-7 yrs and it does not live up to its old claims, or warranty. Tin is they way to go. I had my ONDURA on for about 10 yrs now, lots of snow and wind and still there. Give credit to the Amish fellows who did the job. I can stand a few leaks in the barn. If you put on your house you were in trouble.

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RobertTX

07-05-2002 06:27:38




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
If you check around, you can find a supplier for the sheet steel (tin) that is used on the metal buildings. They can furnish the finish you prefer - galvalume or painted, and cut it to your exact length you need. You can also select the shape or contour that you prefer. I buy mine from a small company that has been great to work with. Last year I priced the material at $45 per hundred square feet for galvalume and $55 for painted at their dock near Houston. This is 26 gauge material that the professional building contractors use.

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Chopper

07-05-2002 03:30:38




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
So far seems like TIN is the material of choice, however, what I meant about shine in my origonal message was; when the sun hits tin just right it reflects like a mirror and thats just what I don't want. This building will be in the back woods and I want it to be as camaflouged as possible. I can't afford reflection off the roof and that why I considered Ondura....Not only don't I want my roof shot up but the machines works better with NO holes in em (Heavy Artillery round here). Any other suggestions rather than Tin?

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VaTom

07-05-2002 04:23:54




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 Re: Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-05-2002 03:30:38  
For the relatively small price difference I went with copper. Shiny for sure, for the first 6 weeks, unless you prematurely age it. If you're thinking of preformed sheets, forget copper. I wanted to do it once and forget it forever.



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T_Bone

07-06-2002 22:07:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Roofing material???? in reply to VaTom, 07-05-2002 04:23:54  
Hi Tom,

Copper can be pre-aged with muratic acid or pool acid then the natural green will show up in a year. I personally like waiting as the natural finish will look best over using acid.


Hi Chopper, Then I would use cap sheet or rolled roofing. Comes in 90lb rolls 3ft wide and other widths and alot of different colors. Besure and use a slip sheet under any top covering.

T_Bone



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VaTom

07-07-2002 09:32:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Roofing material???? in reply to T_Bone, 07-06-2002 22:07:36  
Hey T_Bone,

I did experiment with some commercial acid prep. First you have to wash off the manufacturing oils with a serious detergent. It went green alright, but it was a funny looking film that ended up being washed off in subsequent rains leaving bright spots of shiny copper. I was real glad I tested an inconspicuous area.

Far as I can tell copper won't ever naturally turn green here. We get dull brown. I'm told it's due to our acid rain which results from mid-west electrical generation. What I tested was our house sheathing. I went with copper after I found out how much the stucco people wanted. Stucco, on the other hand, is always green here after a couple of years- mildew. LOL! You might not know what that is. Gotta have some humidity for it to grow.

When we first put on the copper, on top of this mountain, we were told we made an aviation hazard! Now that it's dulled, we've disappeared and everybody's happy.

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T_Bone

07-07-2002 11:10:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roofing material???? in reply to VaTom, 07-07-2002 09:32:24  
Hi Tom,

Yep every copper mix has slightly different mix too, so it acts different to the acid bath. I worked in Washington for a few years and seen the mildew and my granparents were from Texas another good mildew area. What I really liked was the moss roofs!

I've seen the dull brown CU but it was acid treated and not a natural brown they talk about. One thing about a CU roof, you not going to replace it for awhile!

T_Bone

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paul

07-04-2002 22:53:31




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
Get tin. Dull tin if you have to. Forget the Ondura.

Get tin. You'll be really happy in 10 years you did.

--->Paul



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Burrhead

07-04-2002 11:16:59




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
Chopper I've tried shingles and the Ondura stuff both on a 38X48 pavillion loafing shed. Neither one would hold up.

These fellers are right about the Ondura it is crap and very expensive around here

This last time I used 24 gage galvanized corrugated with self tapping rubber washered screws. So far in 6 years there has'nt even been a leak. I used 2X4 rough cut pine lumber for my purlins on 3' centers.

If them folks are shooting buildings with a shotgun or small rifle they won't hurt the metal roof. I shot a scap piece of this with a 38 Police Special from 15' and it did'nt bust through. So far it's stood up to 70+ mph winds with no damage at all.

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John Ne.

07-04-2002 04:25:13




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
Keeping the rain off is one thing, but where I live keeping the roof on in wind is another. Double trusses, with bolts and plates, posts anchored to concrete, and still I see buildings turn into parachutes. An open pavillion? meaning no walls? Hope you don't have winds there. John in Nebr.



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DON LC

07-03-2002 22:14:54




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
I have a small building in Florida,that has a roof made of Aluminum..I don't rember the thickness.It comes cut in the length you want .Mine is about a 5-12 pitch,the sheets are about 16' long x 18"wide,suported at each end and once in the middle,(no snow down there).Each side has a standing lip about3" tall,top of this lip turned,like the edge of a rain gutter.The next piece slides into this lip ,then the next and so across the length of the building.The top has a crown with stirofoam in it.The bottom has a large 5 or 6" gutter.This roofing is used in Florida to do"roof overs"on mobile homes and Florida rooms....I also used it for a porch area(10x16) on my building (30x40).IT has a finished bottom ...If I ever build a building here in southern Ohio ,I am going to look into useing it here.You would have to use more support up here because of snow.Hope this give you an idea.Every body in central Florida will know what I am talking about.....It looks good ,I ordered mine in white...

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VaTom

07-03-2002 18:44:04




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 Re: Roofing material???? in reply to Chopper, 07-03-2002 18:16:08  
I used a similar product called onduline- maybe the same thing. It's close to 10 yrs old now and I'd never use it again. Flexed like crazy with the sun heating it and the nails that came with it don't hold tight. Leaks are common. If you use it, make SURE to use neoprene headed screws. Also gets soft when the sun hits it and you have to be really lightweight not to leave footprints where you've crushed the corrugations. I'm only 175 lbs. and it was a problem.

I painted mine two years ago to preserve the finish but I think I should have pulled it off and installed traditional standing seams like I did on my next building. Not a product I'd use again. Good luck.

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F14

07-04-2002 03:48:50




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 Re: Re: Roofing material???? in reply to VaTom, 07-03-2002 18:44:04  
I second the thumbs down on Onduline. It's crap.



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T_Bone

07-03-2002 18:56:08




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 Re: Re: Roofing material???? in reply to VaTom, 07-03-2002 18:44:04  
Hi Chopper,

I'm with Tom on this one. Roofs are one area that if you go cheap or not do it correct your wasting your money. Only use tried and true methods for roofing. New roofing products take 30yrs to prove them selfs.

You can get metal roof material prepainted and in different rib styles. Depending on how it's installed will only tell if its a metal roof or not from the ground. They have metal shingles that come in big sheets so it looks like shingles.

T_Bone

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