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Richard

06-15-2002 20:47:03




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I have a 1/2" Black & Decker universal drill which has a hammer mode. It doesn't have much impact to it but it does hammer. I'm trying to drill 3/8 holes in my slab (3 weeks old) but all I do is burn up bits. I buying rotary bits but in straight rotary mode, a bit will make about a 1/4" of an inch, if I put it in hammer mode, it just breaks chunks out of the carbide tip.

Any secrets, as I have a bunch of holes to drill about 6" deep.

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Russ

06-29-2002 02:35:51




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
You have to be sure and get percussion bits for a hammer drill. Lowes may not have them but most contractor supply places will. They aren`t that expensive either. It sounds like you are trying to drill holes that are too big for your drill, what is it rated at in concrete? I have a B&D Screamer hammer drill that is about 16yrs old and it has drilled thousands of holes for Tapcons and it still runs strong. For the Bigger stuff I use Hiltis and Bosch drills. Russ

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JT

06-16-2002 10:53:49




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
Are you using masonry bits or regular twist bits. This can make all the difference. For 3/8" holes you shouldn't need a spleen driver and bit. Masonry bits are built to be used in a hammer drill and don't work real well in the strait drill mode.

Hope this helps
JT



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Poppin' Johnny

06-16-2002 07:30:43




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
My dad has 2 Hiltis'. (plumbing) They go through concrete and most anything else nice. Renting one would be the cheapest way.



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ShepFL

06-16-2002 06:13:29




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
Howdy Richard -
I like you encountered a similar problem with my B&D hammer drill. Burnt the drill out, repaired it and burnt it again. I was drilling 3/4" dia. holes 8" deep. These were anchor holes for steel beam uprights.

I was disgusted with the B&D performance and bought a Milwaukee (sp?) 1/2" hammer drill. This drill is AWESOME! It is variable speed with 2 ranges coupled with a 2 range hammer (x beats/min)

Needless to say I am impressed and have over time, as I can afford them I've been replacing all power tools with Milwaukee brand.

Now for the holes - I drilled a 1/4" pilot hole using cheap masonary bits, then graduated to 3/8" Bosch bits. Finally for the big holes I used 1/2" splined Bosch bits chucked in the MLWKE drill. I only lost one bit due to the aggregate. Hit it an nearly lost my wrist due to the "snap" of drill's torque. I just got some cheapo bits and pounded through the tuff stuff and finished off the job with the Bosch bit.

It was somewhat tedious but holes were straight and I had a drill that would handle the job. If I ever have the need to drill bigger holes in fixed materials I would rent something. For bigger holes in mobile stuff i.e. plow beams I hope to eventually own a drill press. Hear that family? - Today being Father's Day I could sure use a drill press. Hee-Hee

Best of luck and steady as she goes. . . that what has worked for me.

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Jim K

06-16-2002 05:36:48




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
As VATom says it's the stone in the concrete that will kill your bits, like hitting rebar, you just can't drill it with a small drill, rent a larger spline drive hammer drill and it should be alot easier.
Good luck
Jim K



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Ron_NY

06-16-2002 05:34:53




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
I was in the same situation a couple of years ago. My solution was to purchase a Milwaukee 7/8" SDS Rotary Hammer/Drill. Cost was approximately $250. You might be able to rent one, but we are always looking for a good reason to buy another tool. Handled the job beautifully. The SDS bits make a big difference. Best of luck. Ron in Central New York.



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wrenchman

06-16-2002 03:11:08




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
boss has a nice rockwell spline drive that does really well.used it to drill for anchors to tie all the machines to floor in his new shop(machine shop).was pretty quick too.kinda expensive though...personally,i use an air impact gun(like body shops use)with star drills.i cut the end off 1 of the tools that came with it & pressed a 4"long piece of water pipe on it to hold stardrill...works kinda like a mini jackhammer & was cheap...you have to remember to rotate(just back & forth a little)the drill a bit while using it though & you have to blow(or vaccuum)the dust out of the hole ocasionally...does real good...

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T_Bone

06-16-2002 01:00:05




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
Hi Richard,

You might try Home Depot for renting a Hilti T17. They'll drill holes really fast. You should get about 25 holes a bit before resharpen.

Sounds like your B&D is just hammering and not drilling(rotating) at the same time.

T_Bone



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Richard

06-16-2002 05:45:54




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 Re: Re: Drilling concrete in reply to T_Bone, 06-16-2002 01:00:05  
No, it's turning as well as hammering, but I think the problem is the bits I'm buying at Lowes say for Rotary use only. All the impact bits are spline drive. I did not see any impact bits that would work in a normal 1/2" chuck, unless I modify them.



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VaTom

06-16-2002 12:59:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-16-2002 05:45:54  
I've bought both rotary and percussion straight shank carbide bits here at a locally-owned home center. Lowe's isn't so service-oriented. Keep looking unless you can come up with a different drill.

What it really comes down to is, specialty drills work better, not surprisingly, for the job they're designed than all-purpose drills. I bought a smallish Hilti SDS (only good up to 3/4") on ebay for $70. Pawn shops do a lot of marketing there. Probably find your percussion bits there too.

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VaTom

06-15-2002 21:11:56




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
If you buy some bits intended for percussion you won't have that carbide problem. It's still going to be a slow process. Concrete's easy to drill in, it's the rocks in there that are the problem.

I wore out a Bosch drill similar to your B&D. I was drilling lots of 3/16" holes in our all-concrete house. Trips to the home center left them without any 3/16 bits. If I was careful to not let them get so hot as to soften the brazing (and lose the carbide), and resharpened, I could get maybe 5 holes/bit. Then I got a spline drive and found out those bits don't fall apart. But they don't come in 3/16" size. Now I have an SDS drill that works great. Immensely faster drilling than my Bosch and has a full range of bits available. With the faster drilling speed the bits stay cooler (and cost a LOT less).

My suggestion is to buy or rent a different drill. My rebuilt old Bosch went to a new owner at a yard sale. There's a world of difference in the quality of the bits for different types of drills.

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Nathan(GA)

06-15-2002 21:01:45




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 Re: Drilling concrete in reply to Richard, 06-15-2002 20:47:03  
I've drilled a bunch of it and never had that happen. You got good bits? I've had 'em finally get dull and the corners rounded, but never break.



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