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Jim M (RI)

06-06-2002 16:39:34




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Does anyone know of a web site or how to get information on do it yourself stamped concrete? Has anyone done this themselves? I would like to do a patio, but the contractors around here want 9.00/sq foot (4" thick). That's $729/yard by my calc - pretty expensive concrete! Heck - I couldn't buy any tractors for a couple of years. Help!!! Thanks, Jim




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JD720

06-08-2002 18:47:14




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
I think your math may be off a bit: 9 Sq feet per Sq yard. So it is $81.00 per sq yard.



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Jim

06-09-2002 13:08:37




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 Re: Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to JD720, 06-08-2002 18:47:14  
I hope my math is correct. A cubic yard of concret is three feet thick. Most walks are only 4" thick, hence a yard of concrete pouring a 3 foot wide walk will pour 27 linear feet of walk.



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JD720

06-11-2002 16:11:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim, 06-09-2002 13:08:37  
I see now that you changed from square feet to cubic yards (of concrete) insted of square yards of coverage. I was refering to square yards of coverage. But either way it is high $.



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Plow Boy

06-07-2002 12:59:01




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
I would strongly disagree with those who said 9 bucks a foot is ok. Sure a contrator has a lot of equipmnt to buy, but at that price it looks like he is going for the payoff on his first job. That equipment lasts a long time for him to recoupe his money over a time period. 2.50 to 3.00 is the going rate for flat work, to add 6 bucks for stamping is just crazy. shoot just add a couple more bucks a foot and get a real (flagstone) patio.

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Darren

06-07-2002 06:40:48




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
Stamped concrete is just a different finishing technique. $9.00 a sq ft is not out of line as the stamps are quite expensive to purchase and/or rent.

How experienced are you in concrete placement? Do you have all the tools required? ie forms, trowels, bullfloats etc.

The process is the same as any pour up until the finishing except for the fact a dye is added to the crete at the site prior to pouring. It is also important that you let the concrete company know you will be adding dye as a lot of them use a particular truck for that purpose (it's messy)

After the concrete is down and bullfloated the stamping process begins. A release agent is scattered on the surface and the stamps are placed on top.(usually around 12-15) You have to work quickly as the concrete will be setting up and if it gets too hard it's gone.....

I would recommend a minimum of four guys to do the stamping (2 teams of 2). Once the stamping is complete you will treat it just like any other pour except for sealing that should wait for about 3-5 days.

It looks really nice and there are alot of different patterns to choose from, but you have to treat it with more care than standard concrete.
Make sure you seal it every year or it will start to flake and change in color.

I would recommend you hire a professional, $9 a sq ft will seem cheap after you see the process and investigate the costs of the tools required.
Plus you can sit back and sip on a cool beverage as you enjoy the show.

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Homesteader

06-07-2002 06:19:16




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
I just put in a walk / patio for a woman using a form to make concrete "flagstones". The actual "stamped" deal requires some expensive equipment that's usually only done by concrete pro's. But you can go to Lowe's or Home Depot or wherever and buy cheap plastic forms for only about $20. You lay them on a base you've already poured and fill them with concrete. You use them for each "interlocked" section and eventually cut them to fit in any oddly shaped areas of your walk. (Mine was an S curve on one side.) The only really expensive part is the pigment, so a lot of people don't use it. Also, since you have to do a lot of labor and touch up with this system, you've got to mix the concrete on site. No trucks, 'cause you coudn't possibly keep up. G

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Dennis

06-07-2002 02:09:02




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
Check out the web on "patterned concrete"

If you can't get info there you can make your own
pattern and stamp the concrete yourself. You can do the whole job without professionals but be prepared to work HARD AND FAST.

Concrete placing is best left up to professionals
but you might just be able to hire concrete workers from a local union and be the contractor yourself.
Good luck.



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Leon

06-06-2002 21:27:57




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
I just bought some 16" X 16" by 2" thick for $3 each at Wal Mart.



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Nathan(GA)

06-06-2002 20:35:27




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
You might try Micheal Holligan's(sp?) site. I think it's however his name is spelled .com. They had all types of info, including a discussion board. $9 per sq ft seems high, but there is a little labor involved. Last time I checked here, regular concrete work was around $3 per foot.



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JoeK

06-06-2002 20:19:13




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
Not familiar with the term"Stamped Concrete"Are we speaking of the precast"pavers" on the order of bricks that are set in the ground like tiles?If so I think you're way high on price.Around here "pavers" run between .30-$2.00 depending on style shape.Runabout 6 to the sq ft=54 to sq yd or about$18-110 per sq yd.Mebbe you got yer sq ft/sq yd/cubic ft/yd mixed up or mebbee I'm looking at a whole different product.....:(

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redrev

06-07-2002 04:29:12




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 Re: Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to JoeK, 06-06-2002 20:19:13  
Around here, "stamped concrete" is poured concrete the color you want, then they stamp the design you request in it. My 3' x 10' walk cost $200. I thought that was a real bargain. G



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Mike W

06-06-2002 19:09:38




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 Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Jim M (RI), 06-06-2002 16:39:34  
I made a form of 2" by 1/4 thick steel. It is welded up to do (4) 12" x 12" squares at a time. Each corner has 1/16" metal welded in at a taper to aid in pulling off the form. I set it in place, add concrete and level off to the top. A few minutes later I carefully lift it off. I keep wax on it to keep the concrete from sticking. Does ok, only crack a pour once in awhile when lifting.



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T_Bone

06-07-2002 00:06:24




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 Re: Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Mike W, 06-06-2002 19:09:38  
Hi Jim,

I bought some plastic flat rock shaped 2" forms from Burbee's seed catolog a few years back. I think there 2ft/sq each making 4 stones a form and about $20. They also had round and ? I then bought some crete color die from Home Depot, blue and red and made my own colored stones/tiles.

If you put in a 1/4tsp of liquid dish soap per 1/3 cu/ft mixer in the crete mix, then the concrete will be water tight if making a pool.

T_Bone

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Nolan

06-07-2002 03:41:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to T_Bone, 06-07-2002 00:06:24  
OK, I'll bite. What does dishsoap do in the concrete mix?



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T_Bone

06-07-2002 11:30:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Stamped Concrete in reply to Nolan, 06-07-2002 03:41:29  
Hi Nolan,

Dish soap is a old gold miners trick for increasing gold recovery while panning flour gold as it breaks the surface tension or the oils on the flake surface. The natural oils will cause the gold flakes to float on top of the water thus flowing gold out of the pan. The same therory applys to concrete. The sand has natural surface oils that create tiny voids of portland cement around each grain of sand. Adding the dishsoap will remove the oils and let the cement adhire to the grain surface thus making for a tighter seal around each grain or water tight.

T_Bone

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