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Greaseman

05-31-2002 17:24:52




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Ok, I am going to buy a gift for my self. I want to purchase a good high quality tap and die set. Nitey percent of my use will be on antique tractor's. I don't think I will need a metric so I am looking primarily for SAE. Which set is best and where?




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350 Don

06-05-2002 16:08:54




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
You can already see from the posts here that everyone has an opinion, and I am no exception. I have not had good luck with Craftsman and have learned to stay away from them. they make low end tools and you can buy lots of low end tools without paying a Sears price. My advice would be to buy the best you can afford. You quickly forget how much you paid for the tool but you are reminded of it's quality every time you use it.

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Trucker

06-05-2002 11:10:39




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
Sears is hard to beat when it comes to tools,but if you buy the cheap ones get a can about like a goop hand cleaner can size and put lard in it,keep it someplace cool,Whenever you want to tap threads dip the tap in the lard,as the tap goes in the lard hangs on to the small pieces of metal and keeps them from jamming the tap and breaking it.If you go slow you can get by with the cheap ones,if its a deep hole,pull it out every so often and blow it off with compressed air,dip it in the lard and go again.This also works for aluminum.Crisco might work too.It works on high dollar taps too.The main thing about good taps is they have more accurate threads,and they start easier,as far as what theyare made out of,I think its the same stuff maybe,just its higher quality in the American made stuff.They still break easy,and its hard to find those cheap ones that have a good tool to turn the tap with.thats whats important,to be able to turn the tap and not have the holder break.

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Nolan

06-05-2002 03:41:43




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
I am a strong advocate of cheap tools if they are adequate for the job. $5 sets of Buffalo allen keys survive just as long as $45 sets from Craftsman and the $100+ sets from Snap-On.

But...I would not cut corners on tap and die tools. I've had some, and they've been truly overpriced. Poorly formed threads, cheap steel, dull cutters, etc. $2 spent on them was $2 thrown away.

I've got a mismatched pile of them from mostly SK and Vermont. They have all held up quite well in performing the main function of repairing damaged threads. The reputable hardware store grades seem to be quite adequate to the job, anything I can buy at a flea market does not.

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Matt

06-04-2002 17:48:52




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
In times like these, we appreciate a knowledgeable and credible opinion. Don't be afraid to go to a place that specializes in your need (even if it is more expensive). If you do this with all of your investments, you will be better off in the long run. Quality service is priceless. You will thank me.



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Toolz4u

06-01-2002 23:20:18




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
The majority of all tap and dies have the same warranty..."If they break in half, you own both pieces"!!!



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Chris C.

06-01-2002 20:17:33




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
I have a Hanson (sp?) set up to 1/2" NC & NF = a few pipe sizes, with handles etc. I think it was around $80 from Home Depot. I have a Chinese political prisoner made set that works ok to chase threads but they are "dimensionally challenged"



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Denny Frisk

06-04-2002 06:32:04




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 Re: Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Chris C., 06-01-2002 20:17:33  
I agree 100%.... Hanson & Triumph are both good readily avail. brands... Some of these imported tap/die sets are so out-of-tolerance that if You make mating threads the two parts either won't assemble or the threads barely engage!



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Gordon in IN

06-01-2002 06:41:44




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
I would recommend that you get a large "set" of low priced, "high carbon" taps and dies from a discount source such as Harbor Freight. About $70 will get you an SAE set with sizes up to and including 1" with both Coarse (NC) and Fine (NF) thread pitches (cheap). They come in a reasonably nice metal storage box. If you are "lucky" you can even get them when Harbor Freight offers "Free" shipping on orders over $50 or from one of their sale catalogs. You should also get a set of low priced thread chasers (thread resorers) in both NC and NF thread pitches (Hex shaped vs. round for use with wrench or socket). Also get a set of low priced thread restorer or cleaner files. This will meet almost all and any needs for tractor, automobile and even most equipment work. The high carbon taps and dies work just fine when used by hand. If you are going to use them on high speed automatic threading machines with power feed then the high speed steel taps and dies are "much better". After you use these low priced taps, dies, thread chasers and files for a while you may wear a few of them out. When you do, replace them with higher quality individual pieces. They will proably be the sizes that you "use a lot". I ended up with only two sizes of taps in one thread pitch each, 1/2" NC and 5/8" NC, that I needed to replace after years of "occasional" use in restoring 4 tractors and working on a "lot" of old cars and equipment. Use a good cutting oil when approprate. Keep a sharp eye open at yard sales, flea markets, and "sales" for incomplete sets and used individual taps and dies - if you can get them "cheap". Take good care of whatever you get (rusty taps and dies "may not" cut as well as clean and properly oiled ones). Just my suggestions. Your experience may be different and your "milage may vary". Good luck, Gordon in IN.

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snitkawl

06-02-2002 05:56:52




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 Re: Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Gordon in IN, 06-01-2002 06:41:44  
I needed to tap 3/4 sae threads into the end of a shaft and used my cheap tap to do it. I thought I would break the tap as it was going so hard. Since I had picked the shaft up at a salvage yard I thought I may have gotten a piece of hard steel.
I looked in my box of odd and end taps and dies and found a 3/4 sae tap made by TRW. With that tap I could almost cut the threads with one hand. I was amazed at the difference, and at that time decided the only reason to buy cheap was to have something to lend. If you are willing to struggle along with that poor quality junk, more power to you, but I will save up, scrounge, scrimp, or whatever else it takes to buy high quality tools.

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Frank

07-03-2002 02:48:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to snitkawl, 06-02-2002 05:56:52  
I have a complete, never used TRW tap and die set for sale. (in the original metal box) This set has all the handles and all the tap and dies from 3/8 to one full inch. I am looking for an offer.



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bubby mcclaugherty

07-28-2002 17:07:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Frank, 07-03-2002 02:48:47  
am looking for a good tape and die set.
is yours still available?
how many pieces are in your set?
does it include metric and sae threads?
thanks
bm



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Al English

06-01-2002 03:23:24




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
Workmanship aside the main quality factor is material. Taps and dies made from high carbon steel are cheaper than ones made from high speed(HS) tool steel. For general use stay away from those made from carbide or exotic alloys. Not only are these very expensive, they are also easier to break than "regular" ones.

Adjustable dies are more expensive and more versatile. But along with this comes the ability to accidentally cut the thread too small.

Often more handy than round dies are ones with hex or 12 point outside diameters. Unfortunately tool steel dies are very hard to find in anything other round OD. There are however, holders for round dies that allow the use of a wrench or socket, a square drive ratchet or extension, or a chuck. But, these holders may not fit into a space where a hex or 12 point die might.

Dies are available in different outside sizes. While the larger ones are a little stiffer, for working on machinery the smallest ones available are going to be the most useful.

A packaged set isn't necessarily cheaper than buying the comparable individual items from an industrial tool supplier. Going this route affords the opportunity of having the exact combination of type(pipe, starting, bottoming, spiral point, etc.), manufacturer, sizes, OD, material, die holder, tap handles, and storage box that you want.

You might also consider a set of "thread chasers" or "thread restorers". They are not very expensive, and can often clean up rusty or mildly damaged threads with little or no material removal. And, the dies(they look like nuts) will often fit into areas where no standard die would clear. Good luck...Al English

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Mac

05-31-2002 19:42:42




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
I have used Morse taps, drills, dies and thread chasers for going on 40 years and they never let me down, however craftsman makes some decent ones also. Less $$$. But again you get what you pay for in all these items.



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Ray,IN

05-31-2002 19:23:42




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 Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Greaseman, 05-31-2002 17:24:52  
Without getting a brand war started, just remember, you really will get what you pay for. Buy from a reputable hardware store or wholesale house that carries machine shop supplies as a large portion of thier business. I apologize for avoiding your brand request, however this is a very subjective question. If you only desire to reform threads a chaser set is better than a thread cutting set, but limits your future use of the set.

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Brian G. NY

06-01-2002 05:24:58




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 Re: Re: Tap and Die sets in reply to Ray,IN, 05-31-2002 19:23:42  
My Dad bought a set of "Greenfield" taps and dies back in the mid fifties; I'm still using them. They came in a nice hinged wooden box. I have since bought a set of Craftsman to expand my size selection. Craftsman are decent but not in the same league as the old Greenfields.



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