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Bouncy trailer problem revisited

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D. Thomas Bea

05-26-2002 13:02:33




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Back in Feb. I posted the below about my mysterious trailer troubles. Suggestions ranged from broken tire cords, to missing balance weights, to my ruining my truck by hauling too much, but noone was sure what the problem was and some requested I check back in when I found out. As it turns out, I haven't actually needed to use the trailer for anything until now, so I'm just now getting around to checking it out. Today I raised each side off the ground and spun the wheels. Visual inspection revealed some imperfection in the roundness, so I rigged a magnet and dial indicator inside the fenders, with the probe riding on the center tread. A bit tricky using a dial indicator for something rough like this, but best I can tell, 3 of the tires have .050" "runout" and one tire has .075" runout. So the big question is, is this a "normal" amount of runout for a 16 inch i.d. tire ? If not, then this is the problem. My theories on why this is the case are-

1. Tires were not "right" even when new, and a slight worsening was the 'camel's broken back straw' that became noticable.
2. I noticed the tire with .075" runout had slight drag when turning. Perhaps it's brake locks up before the other 3 and has some flat spots because of that?
3. No balance weights (do 12,000 lbs capacity utility trailers ever have balance weights ?)
4. With the forklift on I had to make some tight turns a few times...perhaps the drag during turns wore new flat spots ?

What do you guys think ? And is the immediate fix new tires only, or can they be turned round on a lathe ? (tires still look great and tread depth still appears as new)

>I've got a fairly new Anderson "6 ton" flat bed open trailer with dual axles and 4 electric brakes. I hauled an old Baker forklift last week on it that weighed near it's limit of 5 tons (6 tons includes the 1 ton weight of the trailer itself) and ever since then the trailer has been much more "bouncy" than it was, with nothing on it or with a moderate weight (such as 3,000 lbs) on it. It's bad enough that it's quite unpleasant to use now. I suspected a broken leaf spring support weld but I've looked twice and see no evidence of this...everything looks fine, no evidence of broken structural welds either, no evidence of anything bent. Any ideas on what might be wrong with this trailer ?<

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kb

06-01-2002 16:06:27




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 Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to D. Thomas Beaufort, SC, 05-26-2002 13:02:33  
It sounds like the same problem I noticed with my brother-in-law's trailer. Empty it bounced like a basketball being dribbled. With a load on it shifted forward it was pretty smooth. This trailer is balanced to the point it will almost put nop weight on your truck if the load is centered over the axles, so I would think the poster who says it is a balance problem is correct.



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Nolan

05-29-2002 04:15:15




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 Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to D. Thomas Beaufort, SC, 05-26-2002 13:02:33  
I would not expect that slight radial runout to cause a bouncing problem. I've had more then that on motorcyles, and not encountered bouncing problems.

Most of the time, bouncing problems I've seen tend to be related to excessive air pressure in the tires; but as I recall, you'd already addressed that when you first posted this back a few months.



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kraig WY

05-27-2002 07:45:19




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 Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to D. Thomas Beaufort, SC, 05-26-2002 13:02:33  
I think I would look at the tung weight. I do a lot of flatbeading (and stock trailers). My neighbors trailer is like riding young colts. Mine you never know its behind you. If the tung is too light trailers are gonna bounce. Something cause those tires to be un-even. If you replace the tires or true them it may solve the problem temp. but your gonna be in the same boat latter on. Ever notice, on goose neck flatbed trailers the axel are so far back on the trailer. When people make trailers or fix them they try to get the axels toward the center and end up with lots of bouncing.

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D. Thomas Beaufort, SC

05-27-2002 08:02:26




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 Re: Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to kraig WY, 05-27-2002 07:45:19  
Took it to a tire dealer today. No cord problems found, some minor flat spots, but nothing unusual. As it turns out, there is no tire truing sander in this town, nearest one is Savannah, GA. Tire guy said that would definitely help but only temporary as whatever caused minor flat spots would cause it to happen again soon after. So, I had them balance the tires. That helped enough to make the ride acceptable on smooth roads anyway...still bouncy when you go over road with undulations.

Seems like the ultimate solution (besides selling it and getting a gooseneck of course) would be a load distributing hitch attachment. Anyone know a good source of those at lowest price ?

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T_Bone

05-27-2002 09:16:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to D. Thomas Beaufort, SC, 05-27-2002 08:02:26  
Hi D. Thomas,

Does it pull the same loaded as unloaded?

If it pulls the same loaded then I think your looking for a mechanical problem, wheel bearings, broken spring at the center hole, cracked weld, Trailer frame bent, axle bent, etc.

Measure from the center of the tongue ball to the center line between axles. This measurement should be 2/3 of your overall trailer length.

Next I would put the trailer on flat surface concrete and then take a level(plumb bob) and level down to the concrete surface on each corner of the flatdeck and vertical accross each tire center, center line of deck width front and back, marking the level of each spot on the concrete.

Then move the trailer forward and check for the trailer being "in square" from wheel to wheel, from corner of deck to corner of deck and from deck corner to tire center line.

That should tell you if anything is bent or twisted.

T_Bone

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Alan Y.

05-27-2002 05:07:35




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 Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to D. Thomas Beaufort, SC, 05-26-2002 13:02:33  
While you're at it, check the runout of the wheels too, just in case.



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Ray,IN

05-26-2002 21:31:56




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 Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to D. Thomas Beaufort, SC, 05-26-2002 13:02:33  
Most tire shops can "true" tires on the rim using a special lathe. My trailer tires(house trailer axles/tires) has about 1/8" runout and bounce is unnoticeable. I suspect your statement of flat spots from tight turning and brake lockup is accurate. Test brake adjustment on a gravel surface, the tightest brake is quite apparent. Tight turns with an empty trailer is not harmful to tires, however adding 5 tons to the trailer will cause the weakest link=tires- to absorb the forces of the turn. Truing will correct flat spots too. That's my opinion, Ray,IN

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VaTom

05-27-2002 04:21:28




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 Re: Re: Bouncy trailer problem revisited in reply to Ray,IN, 05-26-2002 21:31:56  
Well, I don't have the problem's answer either but I use a 3 axle trailer to haul an 8 ton tractor. Now we're talking serious tire scrub on turns. There was no balance attempt on buying tires and this thing pulls very smoothly. I have no doubt the tires aren't very round but it doesn't make any appreciable difference. My truck and trailer are both a little heavier than D. Thomas' but tires haven't made much difference in pulling. My best guess from the original post went with whomever suggested belt delamination.

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