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Using a car battery to power drill and more???

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Rod MI

05-18-2002 20:58:43




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Will hooking up a 12v car battery to a 12v drill work ok or will I fry it I thought of making a adepter sow I could use a car battery and has any one bout recondition power tool from harbor fright and how do they hole up are they worth it thank Rod MI




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smalldog

05-21-2002 08:51:21




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
I think the best solution would be to have a gas powered generator to power a charger to keep the car battery up.



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Bret

05-20-2002 05:26:36




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
I've got an ancient Skil cordless, (20+yrs old), that wouldn't hold charge. I took the batteries out and wired in to the motor. Lamp cord and two alligater clips. I can run it on 6 or 12 volts. I have not had a problem with over heating thus far, and I've done some pretty good drilling for a 1/4" drill. REALLY handy to have in the truck. I would guess with a 3/8" heavy duty built Makita or somesuch, it would twist your arm off before it quit.

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Thanks every buddy!!

05-19-2002 09:48:21




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
Thanks every buddy this will help out a lot Rod MI



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farmall300u

05-19-2002 07:37:33




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
I bought a reconditioned DeWalt 18 V 995 Cordless Drill with 2 batteries 1 yr ago from Harbour Freight and have used it extensively with no problems. Unit looked like new and so did the batteries. Price was very good compared to a new one.

I also bought a reconditioned Homelite chainsaw from them and I had to dink with the carburator to get it to run correctly, no big deal.



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PCC-AL

05-19-2002 05:27:23




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
Hi Rod, the other guys answered your question about the battery, but nobody talked about Harbor Freight. HF sells some good stuff and a lot of junk. You just have to be careful what you buy. If you are planning to buy a reconditioned drill from HF, get a good name brand. DeWalt, Milwaukee. Good luck.



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Vern-MI

05-19-2002 05:25:42




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
Rod, I would tend to stay away from the rebuilt tools from Harbor Freight. I bought a Porter Cable rebuilt jig saw from them ($110)and it was junk. The grease in the gearbox was not replaced as it was dry and hard and no longer covered the gears or useful as a lubricant. The motor itself was full of dirt, the brushes had to be replaced, the commutator had to be cleaned, the blade roller was rusty and seized and the plug on the end of the cord had to be replaced. It appeared that the used saw was put in a box and shipped to this Harbor Freight customer without any cleanup or rebuild service. I would have sent it back but needed it for a job so just rebuilt it myself. The new cost would have been $160. Next time I will only buy new. Watch out for yourself when you buy from Harbor Freight.

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Ray,IN

05-18-2002 21:43:57




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 Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Rod MI, 05-18-2002 20:58:43  
Even though both are 12VDC, the amperage is quite different. You will need a method to limit the amperage from your auto battery to the limit listed on the drill to prevent frying it. A visit to a Radio Shack for advice and parts should be considered. Your plan is feasible though.



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Steve

05-21-2002 07:24:24




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 Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Ray,IN, 05-18-2002 21:43:57  
Amperage is not the issue!!
the device will draw whatever amperage it needs based on available voltage. If you are running a 12v DC drill off a 12V DC car battery you will be fine. If you try to run an 18v DC device on a 12v car battery there is a chance you can overheat the device if you use it for extended periods of time. If you need to linit amperage - use a fuse!



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mj

05-19-2002 22:38:35




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 Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Ray,IN, 05-18-2002 21:43:57  
I wanted to run my 12v DeWalt drill off of a car battery in case the drills' battery AND the spares ran down while I was a long way from the house. I asked the DeWalt dealer here about running the drill off of the cigarette lighter in my pickup and he said that DeWalt makes an adapter cable for that BUT they were $75.00. Since I already HAD the 110v charger, 4 batteries and a 300w inverter it was a no-brainer.

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Al English

05-19-2002 05:07:56




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 Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Ray,IN, 05-18-2002 21:43:57  
Hi Ray,

Bigdog did a good job of explaining what I would have said. Think about this.....the same 12V test light can be used to check a car battery or a lantern battery. If the difference in available amperage could overload the bulb in the test light, a different test light would be needed for each of these supply sources. If this were the case, things would really get interesting in something like a car, where loads(lights, AC, rear defroster, cigarette lighter, etc) may be switched on or of in any combination. And, the excess current available in the system varies with the charge of the battery, output of the generator/alternator, and the individual loads placed on the system. If devices were effected by the amount of excess available supply current, each device would require its own individual means of regulating its supply current. Hopefully this helps, rather than confusing the issue...Al English

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Bigdog

05-19-2002 03:08:16




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 Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Ray,IN, 05-18-2002 21:43:57  
The only difference in amperage ratings is what is available (max power available from the battery) vs. what is needed (what the drill pulls). Current flow (amperage) is based on voltage and resistance. The drill will pull only what it needs from the battery. It's similar to your electric service for your house or shop. You may have a 200 amp service, but you only pull what it requires to keep things operating.
If you can make good connections, it will work. Hope he doesn't need to lug that battery around too much though.

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Richard

05-19-2002 06:44:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Bigdog, 05-19-2002 03:08:16  
Hold on, motors are different than lights, radios, and electronics.

Although Big Dog is very correct, a current limiting device should be put in the circuit to avoid melting the coils in the drill during a stall. It is very true the drill will only use the amount of current it needs, but during a stall, the battery pack will not deliver enough amperage to melt it down, a car battery will give it all the current it wants and may smoke it.

For an example here, take a home ac unit, say it only pulls 20 amps normally, but a locked compressor rating would be 90 amps. If you had 100 amp service, the ac would only use 20 amps until it stalls, then it's going to grab everything it can until it trips the breaker or a safety reset, in this case, the breaker is the current limiting device and usually would be set around 30 to 40 amps in order to give you the start amperage needed.

Also, since there is much more current available, the drill may not stall near as quick, which means the current will be much higher as the work load increases and can still be detrimental to the drill.

Some drills, have an overload button on them. If it does then it will work fine as that is your limiting device.

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BTD

05-20-2002 12:17:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Richard, 05-19-2002 06:44:42  
Shoot, I have a 24V Bosch and it stalled and smoked a bit just with the battery that came with it. I was pretty surprised what that happened!



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Al English

05-19-2002 07:12:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Richard, 05-19-2002 06:44:42  
Richard,

You are talking about overload protection, and I agree with your comments on that. However, the original question was about whether a source with a higher reserve amprerage capacity would damage the tool.

I do have some thoughts on the following statement you made:
Also, since there is much more current available, the drill may not stall near as quick, which means the current will be much higher as the work load increases and can still be detrimental to the drill.

When the drill is powered by its original small battery increased loading will cause voltage drop, which results in overheating. Using a larger battery will avoid this problem. As a result the motor will actually run cooler at a given load. Its the same situation that causes a motor to run hotter if a long undersized extension cord is supplying it. In my experience overloaded hand tools warn you by getting hot, smoking, and smelling, before they suffer permanent damage. But I can't argue against your idea of using a fuse or breaker...Al English

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Jim K

05-19-2002 04:17:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Bigdog, 05-19-2002 03:08:16  
What Bigdog said. make up a long cord and go for it you wont hurt a thing.
Jim K



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bill b va

05-19-2002 08:41:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to Jim K, 05-19-2002 04:17:20  

my question is why would anyone want to turn a cordless tool into a corded tool ? why not just use a tool that already has a cord . maybe where power is not available ?



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G Taylor

05-21-2002 06:30:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a car battery to power drill and more??? in reply to bill b va, 05-19-2002 08:41:23  
Possibly they are too cheap or broke to purchase a new rechargable battery or spares to charge while in use. Or most likey the origional batery has failed and a replacement battery costs about the same as a new tool/battery together on sale. It seems a shame to toss out an otherwise perfectly fine tool. A pointed out previously the external supply is virtually unlimited in current. The tool's & operators's protection is designed around the origional's limited capacity.

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