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Homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture

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Jason

05-11-2002 11:39:12




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does anybody know the fuel-oil mixtures for these saws mcculloch is a promac 610, homelite found this number don't know if it helps 10405a any help i would be thankful Jason




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John in MA

05-13-2002 10:45:17




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
I don't know what model Homelite that UT number's for, but here's a general guide to the old ones:

Before the late '60s it was 16:1 for Homelite's oil, 10:1 for other brands.
From then until the '80s, most said 32:1 for Homelite's and 16:1 for others. I haven't paid attention to Homelites designed after that time, but I believe the the current ones take 50:1.



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jason

05-12-2002 20:54:38




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
Hey Guys Thanks for all your help i'm very thankful. Jason ( never have bought any parts T Bone )



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Scott Green

05-12-2002 06:17:28




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
Back about 25 years ago we use to mix the oil 32:1. Example of these saws were: Homelite XL-12 , Super XL-12 , and Super XL , etc. , etc.. The saws I've seen today use a mixer of 50:1. It's been 50:1 for a while , not just the present. I'd stick with a good brand of oil also.



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JD40C

05-11-2002 20:13:17




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
Put in another vote for Golden Spectro 2-stroke oil. It's pretty much the best oil for two strokes that you can buy. Mix it 40:1 or 50:1 and yer two stroke will run great. Have used it in a number of two stroke race engines and have never had one seize, and ring life has been outstanding with it.

I run my Stihl trimmer at 40:1 with the GS oil and it runs like a top, never smokes, and the fuel doesn't go bad as quickly as with other oils.

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paul

05-11-2002 18:54:06




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
Go to a motorcycle shop and buy some Golden Spectro Two Cycle Oil. Mix 8 ounces to 5 gallons and it will work in all your two stroke motors without worrying about having 3 or 4 different mixes laying around. It doesn't matter if it's 20 to 1 or 50 to 1.
Just make sure you fully empty the gas tanks of any equipment before your fill it--in other words, don't mix Golden Spectro with anything else. You'll keep it fresh by using it all your equipment. Use premium gas. You'll never go wrong.

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shoe

05-11-2002 19:55:37




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 Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to paul, 05-11-2002 18:54:06  
This must be some high powered two cycle oil. What
you are suggesting at 8 ounces per five gallons is
a 80 to 1 mixture. I have never heard of that lean
of mixture. I think i will stick with stihl or husky oil at a recomended 40 to 1 mixture.



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Al English

05-12-2002 13:51:42




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 Re: Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to shoe, 05-11-2002 19:55:37  
Hi shoe,

I have seen synthetics that are 100:1 oils, and I wouldn't be surprised if some have gone beyond that. But as I indicated in my original post, in spite of the advantages provided by synthetic and super lean conventional 2-cycle oils, they do shorten engine life. I say that based on both personal experience, and unpublished tests done by a major synthetic oil manufacturer...Al English



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Ford Man

05-11-2002 18:42:39




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
The guys are right . The recomended fuel mix from Mac was 40:1 with THEIR oil .

Homelite is 32:1 .

I personally mix 32:1 for everything I have . I have never had any trouble and don't have 2 or 3 gas cans .

Ford Man



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Rod (NH)

05-11-2002 18:24:44




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
Hi Jason,

The owner's manual for the Mac ProMac610 lists 40:1 if you use McCulloch's 40:1 2-cycle oil or 20:1 for any SAE 40 2-cycle oil.

Rod



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Al English

05-11-2002 12:45:49




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 Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Jason, 05-11-2002 11:39:12  
Hi Jason,

I have answered this question several times in the past, so I hope no one minds seeing more or less the same post again.

What I'm going to tell you applies to all "pre-mix"(non-oil injection) two cycle engines, EXCEPT ones which have one or more plain bearings(bushings) rather than all ball, roller, or needle bearings. Unless you have a VERY old saw, it will not have any plain bearings.

The oil, and not the engine, determines the mixing ratio. The penalty for using a "richer"(more oil) oil mix than the oil manufacturer specifies is slightly less power, shorter plug life, and faster accumulation or carbon deposits. The penalty for using a "leaner"(less oil) oil mixture than the oil manufacturer recommends is shorter engine life. Unless maximum power is more important than engine life do not use synthetic oil in a two-cycle engine. And for the same reasons, also avoid the super lean mixture(more than round 50:1) type oils.

If you have an old saw that has one or more plain bearings, use a conventional/traditional 16:1 2-cycle oil mixed at that ratio...Al English

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Ray,IN

05-11-2002 21:10:06




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 Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Al English, 05-11-2002 12:45:49  
I agree Al, I have an old blue homelite XL and 16/1 is its correct mixture. I once listened to a repair man's suggestion of using the newer models 32/1 mixture and the piston stuck in the cylinder-twice- before I deduced what was happening. I now have two Echo saws that use 48/1 mixture, so I keep the gas cans(3) marked with the mixture in each. One 2-cycle oil to meet all different mixtures huh-nope I have used the mfgrs recommendations for 43 years with no problems; I'm not going to change now.

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John in MA

05-13-2002 10:36:55




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 Re: Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Ray,IN, 05-11-2002 21:10:06  
Your old blue XL actually has roller and ball bearings, so Al's train of thought says 50:1 is fine.

I personally don't agree with that idea. New oils at the old ratios in old saws will only foul the plugs as much as the original mix did. I run all my old saws at the old ratios specified for the manufacturer's brand of oil. No problems there, and I have a 30 year old high-compression saw that has never needed a rebuild.

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dave#1

05-11-2002 16:26:06




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 Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Al English, 05-11-2002 12:45:49  
This may be a moog point as far as chainsaws are concerned but the oil mix ratio on a 2 stroke changes with RPM's , in the old days with snow moblies, if you did'nt leave with 50 spare spark plugs, you'd be walking home from your ride!, this is why (Sleds anyway) went to oil injection, you need more oil at higher rpms because of heat?,friction? than you do at lower rpm's.

later,dave



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Al English

05-12-2002 14:37:28




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 Re: Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to dave#1, 05-11-2002 16:26:06  
dave#1,

I suspect you already know this, but maybe someone else would find it interesting.

One of the problems with pre-mix 2-cycle engines is that when the engine is running at high load and/or RPM, and then the throttle is closed, not enough fuel/oil is going through the engine to lubricate it. In a saw that's not a big problem, but in a bike or snowmobile the engine doesn't immediately return to idle when the throttle is closed. To help compensate, a richer than ideal oil mix is used. That is one cause of the plug fouling you mentioned.

Snowmobile plugs must also cope with an unusually wide range of engine loads, engine temperatures, and inlet air temperature extremes. All two-cycle engines demand a lot of their spark plugs, and maybe nothing asks more of its spark plugs than a snowmobile. Unlike today's gold, platinum, and iridium alloy plugs, the older plugs simply lacked the thermal operating range demanded by a snowmobile. Oil injection, better plugs, better ignition, improved engine design, and water cooling, have all helped snowmobile spark plug dependability...Al English

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Ludwig

05-13-2002 11:12:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Al English, 05-12-2002 14:37:28  
Al I think you're right on the money with that.
I ride "vintage" sleds and have found that todays spark plugs are FAR superior to those of yesteryear. I had somebody give me a bunch of NOS Bosch plugs and I ran three through my '70 Ski-Doo Olympique in 15mins. It was hard to start and didn't have good power at all. I switched back to a new type NGK and never had a bit of trouble since... Well, the gas tank is full of crud, but thats not the plug's fault.

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T_Bone

05-11-2002 13:40:42




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 Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Al English, 05-11-2002 12:45:49  
Hi Jason,

I have a Mac Pro 610 that I bought in 1980 and use 20/1 to 25/1. I tried some of the 50/1 oil but my saw didn't run that well so I went back to 25/1 mix. Problem solved. I'ver never did anything to the saw other than put in a couple new spark plugs over the years. Bars & chains is a different story!

Have you ever bought parts for yours? If so where?
I need a start cord spool as mine has cracked but still works.

T_Bone

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Rod (NH)

05-11-2002 18:34:46




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 Re: Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to T_Bone, 05-11-2002 13:40:42  
Hey T-Bone,

Good luck in finding any parts for that 610. A Mac graveyard maybe? If you are fortunate to find any NOS parts, they could run you more than the saw is worth! Last time I got any parts for a Mac I had pay a small fortune...for a muffler as I recall. Time to move up to a Stihl or Husky? Just joking :o).

Rod



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T_Bone

05-13-2002 02:41:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: homelite and mcculloch chainsaw fuel mixture in reply to Rod (NH), 05-11-2002 18:34:46  
Hi Rod,

Mac has a muffler? LMAO

Well after 22yrs I've gotten my moneys worth so if it takes a dump, then I'll prolly go Stihl and hope for another 22yrs. I cut about 5 cords a year so not heavy used.

I thought about making one out of aluminum but who knows.

T_Bone



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