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WT

04-29-2002 07:03:55




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A while back I asked for ideas on our retirment home. I got great advice from this form. I ready to get started and have my builder. He is a expert retired friend that is kind of like the genreal but I'm having to do the leg work, Spec sheets, permits, ect. The lender is ok with all this but the one item I'm having trouble with is the draw sheet I need to turn-in to the bank, this is how and when the lender pays vendors, material labor, ect. at the end of a stage of construction that is finished. I send the bills and they send the money. Can anyone give me an idea as to what a draw sheet format should look like? I searched the web with no luck. Any other advice on this thing would be great.

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James Bow

05-08-2002 06:48:30




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 Re: Off Subject Home Building in reply to WT, 04-29-2002 07:03:55  
The previous responders have given you good advice.
You may want to go to the HUD web site WWW.HUD.GOV and look under forms. If you have Adobie you can download the following forms which should also help you. Contractor's requisition form 92448. this lists the generally accepted trade items /catagories for all work related to home construction. Both single family and multifamily.
There are also forms 92437 (Request for Construction Changes) and form 2326 Project cost estimate and the 2328 which is the Contractor's Cost Breadown by trade.
From what you describe you are the general contractor in this deal and your contractor is actually your sub contractor. Be sure you have insurance to cover anyone hurt on the job since you are legally responsible.
Follow the excellent advice on lien waivers before paying out anything.
If you have trouble finding the forms contact me at [email protected]
If your lender can't provide the forms find one who does FHA lending - they will have everything you need.

Jim

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Jim WI

04-29-2002 10:46:42




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 Re: Off Subject Home Building in reply to WT, 04-29-2002 07:03:55  
Another thing that's REALLY, REALLY important is to get a lien clearance from each person you pay. The bank will probably insist on this anyway but you want to make sure yourself.

(Those documents were the only reason I didn't end up paying double for some of the work on my house -- one of the subs didn't pay his workers and they wanted to collect from me.)



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Mark Kw

04-29-2002 08:10:15




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 Re: Off Subject Home Building in reply to WT, 04-29-2002 07:03:55  
Your bank should provide you with all the information. I never dealt with home loans but on commercial ones, they provide a series of forms that have to be filled out in a specific order. The first is usually a listing of vendors names, addresses, phone numbers, ect that should be completed before anything else.

Following this, they should provide you with payment planning forms. These are usually broken up by completed portions of the job, dates or monthly. Normally on commercial loans, bank will pay according to portions of the job. This means that when the excavator is done digging for the foundation, the site will be inspected and payment rendered for that vandor and the completed portion of the job. Once the footer is layed and inspected, this will get inspected masonary contractor will be paid. The process goes on to completion. Some banks will offer monthly or quarterly payment plans depending on the size of the project. These allow for payment of those vendors who did X work during that time frame. Most all lenders will require site inspections, some provide this service free while other charge for an independent inspection firm.

You need to get all the details from your bank first before you go any further. When you get these, make sure they are in writing and you have a contract with the bank that spells out each and every detail clearly. Watch the bank closely! Don't enter into any agreement or contract with them unless you know what you are getting into in detail. Any bank that will not provide you with a detailed listing of each and every item and its cost should be avoided. If you must provide the inspector, you need to find one now and get the costs of the service locked into a contract. If the bank is going to provide an inspector, you need to have the dates and costs of these inspections in writing in the main loan contract.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to get every detail in writing from everyone, bank and vendors alike. Also, if the bank is going to be the one paying the bills, you need to have a clause in the contract with them that they are NOT to pay any vendor until you give the OK for it. Unfortunately, I have seen banks send their inspector to the job site, approve payment and the work was not done to the customer's approval. Once the vendor is paid, you will likely never have any chance to get problems fixed. If you got them for a few thousand bucks, they are more likely to fix any problems without giving you a hard time about it.

One job in particular comes to mind. Concrete work was done by the masory company that was not to the customer's spec. There were many items lacking in the work that appeared on the print. The bank inspector only looked at the work done and did not consult the blue prints to ensure that it was done correctly. The contractor was paid in full and never seen again. The result was the customer became responsible for having another contractor repair the problems caused by the first one. The additional cost was beared by the customer and not by the contractor that did not do the work properly in the first place.

There is no real difference between a house and a commercial property. You are the customer and should have the final say as to what's what. Just because the bank inspector feels that work was done properly, it does not mean it was done properly for you. Say the roofer's put the worng color shingles on. The bank says, "OK, the roof is on and it does not leak, let's pay the roofer's." Fine and dandy but you are going to be stuck with the wrong color roof or paying again to have the right one put on. Same goes for everything else on the job. It's your home and you're paying for it so it better be done to your specs. Unfortunately, you are going to be the one with the most headaches over this. If you have any doubts as to contracts with vendors or the bank, you may best be served to have a lawyer that is qualified in realestate and construction look over everything BEFORE you sign.

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