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Mark Kw

04-19-2002 05:05:31




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I asked about torch hose reels a few weeks back and I have yet to settle my thoughts on any one as of yet. Same time, I decided to look into air hose reels as well. The old service truck was a high cube van and my hose was stored on hooks hanging on the walls in 50' sections. I simply pulled out as many as was needed. With the new truck, three times the size of the old one, the utility body is loaded with tools and supplies which leaves me with little room for the air hoses. Having gotten tired of stuffing hose and moving hose everytime I needed something else in that compartment, I decided a reel was the way to go. Having looked at countless reels from the $15 super cheapies to the $600+ super industrial ones, I did not find any I really liked.
Spring retractable ones are not only costly but extremely heavy, double the weight of air, hydraulic or electric re-wind reels of the same size. 3/8" hose capasity was limited on all but two of them to 100' the other two would handle 125'. Decent quality ones in hand re-wind are selling for over 250 bucks and really did not impress me that much for the prices. While some of them were nice and well built, the extra guide rollers and such only added to the weight which I need to closely consider for truck mounting. Others were less fancy yet took up far too much room for my liking.

Giving up on finding what I wanted and what would fit where I needed to put it, I decided to just make one myself. I had picked up some cord reels from a military surplus sale years back with the intention of using them for storing welding leads. I never got around to doing anything with this idea and they got tossed into storage and forgot about. Getting my mind set on the hose reels, I dug these out and started looking for a swivel coupling to use for the supply. Went to the local hydraulic hose place and got a new high quality 1/2" npt swivel for $25. The cord reels were built to fit onto some sort of existing shaft with a spline type drive on one end. This lead to a problem with using a pipe for the shaft. I cured this by welding double thick hard steel flat washers to each side of the 1.250" shaft tube. To the washers, I welded a 1/2" steel pipe coupling. I used 2" x 1/4" steel bar stock for the shaft supports and attached a piece of 3/4" thick teflon pillow block bearing material to each side. I drilled the teflon blocks to tightly fit the OD of the pipe couplings which are now the shaft for the reel. One coupling got a pipe plug and the other got the swivel fitting that is hard piped into the air line from the truck compressor. I put a handle for hand crank re-wind on the side opposite the swivel fitting. To prevent the hose coupling from getting crud in it, I installed a dummy connector to the truck body to plug it onto. To eliminate the possibility of the hose unwinding from the reel while road traveling, I drilled a hole in the mounting bracket for a pin that latches the reel in place. Total cost was about 50 bucks and two hours time but I have a reel that's the right size and shape to fit where I wanted it and will easily hold 250' of hose if I desire to get that carried away.

I'm still looking at torch hose reels but have yet to find what I need in these as well. Most of the problem is physical size and shape. Need to fit it into a compartment. Seems as these twin hose reels are designed narrower and larger in diameter than air or water hose reels. I found I can buy very high quality swivels for the O2/LP gases for around $75 each from the same local supplier. I forsee myself shortly building this hose reel as well. Will let you know how it turns out. Yes, I have ensured that the swivel fittings I am going to use for the torch hose are in fact explosion proof and approved for this use for the gases and pressures required.

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Tom-Pa

04-20-2002 07:55:20




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 Re: Air / torch hose reels in reply to Mark Kw, 04-19-2002 05:05:31  
Hi Mark,

Could you post a couple of photos of the reel you made up...It would be interesting to see and be able to corrolate photo to text. Thanks and Good Luck
Tom-Pa



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Brokenwrench

04-19-2002 18:18:19




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 Re: Air / torch hose reels in reply to Mark Kw, 04-19-2002 05:05:31  
I have Reelcraft spring rewind reels on my service truck,both for air and oxy/act. The air reel is 50', which for my application works fine, as I also carry another 100'in the truck. The oxy/act reel holds 100' of hose with quick connects for the torch. In the shop at home is another 150' of torch hose also with quick connects. If I think I'm going to need it I throw it on the truck. These reels are mounted on top of the tool boxes, outside,exposed to the elements and I have had no problems with the exception of a leaky swivel on the air reel. The reels are 10 years old, this is the third truck they have been on. Aside from the paint fading and the aforementioned leak no problems. The torch reel passes DOT as do the bottles, they are hooked up all the time with safety caps. This is where you may have a problem with homemade torch reels,if you have to go over any scales. Myself, I chose to use precious truck space for tools, parts and fittings etc.that the exposure to the elements will hurt. JMHO

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Mark Kw

04-22-2002 08:46:09




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 Re: Re: Air / torch hose reels in reply to Brokenwrench, 04-19-2002 18:18:19  
I got some free web stoarge space for pics but have not had time to fool with uploading them yet. When I do get some time to do it, I have a lot of pics to put on there.

50 footers won't cut it for me. Many of the places I work, I need at least 100' of hose to reach. When I do work in the coal plant, I need at least 200' to reach the upper areas of the feed cyclones. Same for road service, many times I have to park behind the broken truck and have to clear 28' of my own truck plus another 53' of trailer before getting to the power unit.

In either case, I'd rather have all the hose connected and ready to work when I need it. Going with a 200' reel is the only way to keep everything handy and ready to go without taking up a lot of valuable compartment space. The truck I'm working with was originally built for an electric power utility. It worked out well for what I wanted but now I'm adding the little changes to make it more efficient. The torch hose reel will be installed in what was formerly the crew cab portion of the utility body (not part of the passenger compartment). I have the Miller Trailblazer in there and have plenty of room above it for the reel where it'll be out of the way but still easy access.

I know exactly how I want to build it so that it'll hold 200' of twin lead hose. I had some reservations about the swivels I first found, did not seem to be as well made as I would have liked. I did find ones that come with the proper RH/LH thread connection for torch hose so I won't need adapters reducing the risk of leaks. They also have three separate seals in the rotating portion to further reduce the possibility of leaks. They cost around 75 bucks more each than the other ones but are far better quality. I'm not really going to be saving any money building my own reel, it's now a point of building what I need and want rather than anything.

I get the local DOT inspector to give my truck a full inspection and put the window sticker on it. He knows my work yet he still does a complete and full inspection of everything, top to bottom and end to end so there is no questions on anything. After all, this is also my show truck so I keep it spotless, shined up and very neat...wish I could say the same for the shop... he he

Never had any trouble with any of the DOT people. I run the scales a lot, sometimes once going north and once going south in the same day a few hours apart. Since I re-built the entire truck, I changed a lot things from wiring to hydraulic hoses and so forth. All of the wiring is done in PVC and liquid-tite conduit and there are no exposed wires anywhere. All the hydraulic hoses and air lines are run in PVC pipe along the frame and where they are exposed are wrapped with abrasion protectors. Every time I got inspected, it ended with getting compliments from the DOT people on how well everything was done on the truck so I doubt they will have any problems with my hose reels not being production models.

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