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Jeremy

04-17-2002 20:39:13




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Well, I'm thoroughly confused on how to figure out what sort of trailer I need to move around my John Deere 40C crawler. It's about 4,000lbs with another 500 ~ 750lbs for the blade. So around 5,000lbs total. I have a 1971 Ford F250 with a 390 V8, C6 tranny, and the Camper Special package. Can that truck use a dual axle trailer with trailer brakes to move the crawler safely? Or do I need either a gooseneck trailer or a bigger truck?

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mike

04-18-2002 21:12:59




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
I have towed a 420 c with a blade and rippers approx 5000#s and a 420 c with loader and way to big a winch about 9500#s alot with a 71 f250 4x4 390 and 4 speed most of the time with no trailer brakes (not recomended) and it pulls it fine all on a ball hitch i like my 5th wheel better but didnt always have it good luck mike



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Acme Towing

04-18-2002 16:33:43




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
There is a Math formula that will tell you exactly how much weight any given vehicle can tow.
I cannot find it right now. Anybody heard about this? You multiply engine H.P. X ? Then take that number and subtract truck weight and the number left is what the vehicle will pull.



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DonB

04-18-2002 12:04:16




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
Everyone worries too much about capacity. As long as you can pull it with a performance you can live with and can stop it in a reasonable distance, you are within capacity. Use a frame mount hitch of some sort, trailer brakes with break-away and take off.

I have a friend in the mid west who tows 5000# tractor loads to shows behind a 1966 Dodge pickup with a slant 6. He has almost nothing in the way of hills.

I have a 1998 Dodge 1500 with a 318 and 5 speed which does a nice job. It can clear 4000 ft Cajon pass northbound with a 7000# load at 50 and fall off southbound holding 55 with the same load. The first quarter mile from the house is a 300 ft climb and every where else I go requires some sort of climb.

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Tom

04-18-2002 17:31:54




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 Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to DonB, 04-18-2002 12:04:16  
I agree with you about all this worry about capacity and big engines. It all depends on how far you want to go at what speed. My brother also pulls a WC with a slant 6 and a 4 speed with the low first gear. He just takes it a little slower on the hills. Goes to all the antique tractor pulls in eastern CT and RI. As for power, as a kid I used a 49 ford F-5 and F-6 on the farm wher I worked to go and get lime and fertilizer. Loaded them up to 5-7 tons ofen and once when I was waiting for the guy loading lime to offer that he thought I had about 6-7 tons, and he was waiting for me to say I had enough, well we put 9 tons on that F-6. These trucks had flathead v8s, about 100 hp. Always made it, did it with gears. If you have a good low gear and don't have a time limit you can pull a lot with not too much.

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thurlow

04-18-2002 18:15:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Tom, 04-18-2002 17:31:54  
Exactly!!!!!



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T_Bone

04-19-2002 02:04:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to thurlow, 04-18-2002 18:15:50  
Thats very true guys but you got to remember the towing thought now days is to try a pull a 20000lb GCW load up a 7% grade at 75mph and also desend at the same speed.

Towers today expect to do this all day long. Read some of the RV boards and you'll see what I'm talking about.

They also expect to tow at 75mph flat like the "big rigs" do. I'm really supprised theres not more accidents with the towing thoughts of the new generation. Can't say it's the youngesters either as theres alot of retired folks talk about racing the big rigs to the top of the mountain.

Over on Ford-diesel.com, theres a young woman wanting to know why her F250 PSD will not tow a trailed jeep at 90mph. The govener is set at about 90mph on the new PSD. Of course I was the only one that tried to point out that towing at 90mph was very dangerous and got flamed for my thoughts!

T_Bone

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Denny Frisk

04-21-2002 16:39:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2002 02:04:33  
T-BONE - You may have Seen "Her" on that ad on TV... Her Husband's driving that little SUV across the desert pulling the HUGE camper trailer...with the 2 kids in the back seat... They catch a guy in a speeding sports car.... Pass Him like He was tied to a stump... Get into the hills and catch Another one and She Comments " OHHHH ANOTHER ONE of THOOOSE!!!!" I REALLY HATE that ad! And the commericals where women get into contests trying to get to the last parking space in the mall parking lot! TV has given these younger people the idea it's the WAY Your supposed to drive! And it's NOT just the women that drive that way... their equally un-knowledgeble Husbands probably drive the same way.

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T_Bone

04-21-2002 17:06:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Denny Frisk, 04-21-2002 16:39:00  
Hi Denny,

We have really been watching different tow rigs these past two years as we knew we needed a new one. I couldn't believe the way that people were driving the new trucks. I kept telling the wife how can they tare up a $35000 vechile like that and why? When I bought the new F350 this year I got my explanation some what. The new trucks ride so soft that it's hard not to travel 25mph in the back country in 4wd, wheres with the older trucks you try that and your head would be putting dents in the head liner.
I bought the PSD and gees I've got so much power I can see how these guys are climbing grades at 70mph. It really shocked me at the difference. Me I'll keep doing the 35mph and get 17mpg towing. Wow!

T_Bone

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Tom

04-19-2002 18:01:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2002 02:04:33  
I am a lot more worried about going down a hill with a load than getting up it. If I have to ride the brakes to maintain speed I am concerned, shift to a lower gear. If you have to ride the brakes to maintain speed they may be too hot to do anything when you need to stop, or may fade and leave you crashing. It used to be said you decend a hill in the same gear you would use to go up it. Now with all the power vehicles seem to be getting this may not work, however if you are pulling with a vehicle that is a little less than you might want it is still probably good advise. Used to see the trucks grinding up hills at 10, or even 5 mph when I was a kid, now they seem to hardly slow up. Must have some massive engines in some of them. Same goes for pickups that people are getting for towing.

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Kevin

04-19-2002 16:53:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2002 02:04:33  
After watching a 20 foot bumper mounted trailer with a '85 Buick LeSabre on it take a pickup (brand doesn't matter) for a 360 spin out at 75 MPH, I KNOW whats dangerous to do. I could never recommend high speed trailering of heavier loads on a bumper mount, gotta have a decent receiver with load leveling at the minimum.



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thurlow

04-19-2002 15:22:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2002 02:04:33  
Well, you're right, of course. It's easy to forget the great diversity in life experiences and capabilities of those who post on these boards. Many of the questions which seem to be "no brainers" to me are legitimate, serious questions to others. When I read an answer such as 'No way that'll work' or 'You're crazy to consider that' and it's something I've been doing safely for 40 years, then..... ...well..... I guess a better response from me might be, "It can certainly be done, but whether 'you' can do it safely is another question. Of course, this comes across as a put-down. Only found this site about 6 months ago. Love it!!!! Some very knowledgeable people, some idiots also. I try not to get locked into one or the other, but swing back and forth.

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T_Bone

04-18-2002 09:10:30




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
Hi Jeremy,

You will need a trailer thats rated for 8000 GVWR. Crawler 5000lb plus trailer 2000 to 3000lbs = about 8000 GVWR or more. If you get one thats too close to your GVWR then tires and axles will ware out fast.

I've pulled a bumper pull RV Travel Trailer that weighs 8000lbs for the past 9yrs without problems. My receiver is rated for 12500lbs WD, weight distribution hitch.
My GCW was 16000lbs. GCW is truck and trailer.

My tow rig was a 76 Dodge power wagon (4wd) 400ci, 4:11, and 4spd. It orginally had a auto and I had to watch over heating the tranny but not with the 4spd.

I don't think you will have a problem if set-up correct on common road ways, nothing over a 7% hill, and watch your water temperature gauge. Top hill pulling speed will be about 25mph depending on your rear axle ratio, to keep you from over heating the engine. You will probably also have to add a tranny cooler and temperature gauge for arround 240 degrees tops. A WD hitch with a 2-5/16" ball x 1-1/4" shank. A goose neck or 5th wheel would also work. Don't try and skimp on the hitch or it'll bite you in the arse.

T_Bone

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bob

04-18-2002 07:31:13




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
might check with law enforcement as to gross weight. Had a neighbor get stuck that way Pickup handled it okay but didn,t satisfy picky law



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Trailerman (TX)

04-18-2002 06:31:14




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
Jeremy, You should be okay with the truck. The only thing that would hurt you on the truck would be in your rear bumper strength. I prefer hauling heavy equipment on gooseneck trailers because the weight is better distributed over the vehicle and trailer, and you can turn and back it just about anywhere.

Your trailer is rated by the capacity of the axles. You should be able to find a 16-20' trailer with a 7,000-12,000 lb capacity. It will probably need to have a 2 5/16 ball and coupler, since most 2" balls are only rated up to 5,000 lbs. You will need trailer brakes at least on the front axle. Depending on the width of your crawler, you might need a flat bed trailer to haul it.

In the end, just make sure that the weight is well distributed over the axles of the trailer and that some, but not too much weight is on the truck, and make sure the load is secured.

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Ludwig

04-18-2002 09:42:46




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 Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Trailerman (TX), 04-18-2002 06:31:14  
You'd be crazy to tow that much weight with a bumper mount, get a good frame mount hitch, its worth the money.



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thurlow

04-18-2002 15:43:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Ludwig, 04-18-2002 09:42:46  
I agree about the bumper hitch, if you're talking original equipment; however, any of several after-market bumpers will safely tow many times what the truck in question will handle.



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Trailerman (TX)

04-18-2002 10:15:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Ludwig, 04-18-2002 09:42:46  
Ludwig, Let me correct myself. When I was sending the reply I was doing so many things that I just kept on typing, and sent it. Yes I agree with you that a frame mounted hitch would be the way to go and not the bumper mount. There is only one bumper mount that I know of that is designed for that, and I have it on my truck. It consists of 4" pipe with diamond plate skirts, a 8" drop made out of 3/8" plate, and it is bolted and welded to my frame with 1/2 steel. I would still prefer my gooseneck hitch over anything else.

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thurlow

04-18-2002 06:24:14




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
Unless your truck has a high-speed rear-end, you should have no problems with the set-up you've described. With high-speed rear-end, you may find your transmission is a little over-matched.



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paul

04-18-2002 04:50:07




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 Re: Towing capacity? in reply to Jeremy, 04-17-2002 20:39:13  
That info should be located on the info plate on the door post of your truck? The Gross Weight, Towing Weight, etc. You are on the boarderline for a 6,000 trailer, as they weigh better than 1000 themselves, total weight will probably be just over.

My guess is your truck should handle it, but check the plate or visit your dealer where they can look it up.

--->Paul



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