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Welding Question, how to build up edges and points?

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Rick from Paso

04-07-2002 15:44:48




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T-bone and all of you other welding experts out there, what is the best way to build up the edge of a bucket or the end point of a tooth. Every time I get near the tapered cutting edge or the point, it melts and I lose ground! For the edge, if I set it up so that the edge is pointing up and lay beads down along the edge I can build it up but there's alot of grinding to shape it. Is there any better way of accomplishing this short of cutting the edge or point off and welding on another? Thanks again for your expertise!

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Thanks for the suggestions!

04-09-2002 20:57:15




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 Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Rick from Paso, 04-07-2002 15:44:48  
Thanks again, I'll let you know how I make out!



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Ken

04-13-2002 21:00:10




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 Re: Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Thanks for the suggestions!, 04-09-2002 20:57:15  

Start welding at the edge.



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Mike

04-09-2002 00:20:27




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 Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Rick from Paso, 04-07-2002 15:44:48  
What rod do I use to build up hardened points on mild steel, using a AC stick welder? THANKS, Mike



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Mark Kw

04-08-2002 12:34:42




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 Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Rick from Paso, 04-07-2002 15:44:48  
This is something I do a lot of. First off, why not replace the cutting edge? Lot less work which saves time and money. Dependign what you're using the bucket for, you can sometime lap a smaller width cutting edge under the existing one without causing a problem. If not, you can do a few things one time that will cut repair time later.

For an edge that extends past the sides of the bucket, cut the old edge out only to the side of the bucket rather than removing the whole piece. You need not have a true "cutting" edge under the sides and past it as its sole purpose is to stop wear on the sides and corners of the bucket, not for cutting material to be scooped into the bucket. For this reason, you need only replace that portion of the edge that actually is used for cutting. I cut the edge flush to the inside of the bucket sides. Trim the new edge to fit this hole and install as normal. The remaing parts of the existing edge can be handled two ways: 1- build it up with manganese stringers till you have enough meat to protect the bucket sides/corners. 2- use the trimmed portion of the new edge, cut width so that it sticks out past the cutting edge about 1" to 2". Weld directly to the existing porting of the cutting edge, bevel as necessary to get a good joint.

The most time consuming part of edge replacement is workign around the sides/corners of the bucket. Doing a replacement as above eliminates the need for the added work. Doing build-up takes forever and usually costs 10 times what a new edge does not counting time.

As for teeth, I have to assume you are talking about the shanks, not the caps. If this is the case, you should not be seeing wear on the shanks unless you have a cap problem. Same with these, replacement is best but you can do a build-up as T_Bone said or by using a small diameter rod with low heat. Wire feeder would be best if you have it available.

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Fred OH

04-08-2002 05:43:20




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 Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Rick from Paso, 04-07-2002 15:44:48  
Rick, You might try starting at the point of the tooth first and welding back from there. Seems like the heat buildup going the other way gives you less control. Also you might try staying back an 1/8" from the edge on the cutting edge on building it up. (what's another 1/8 of wear gonna hurt?) L8R....Fred OH



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T_Bone

04-07-2002 17:58:12




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 Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Rick from Paso, 04-07-2002 15:44:48  
Hi Rick,

Use a copper or aluminium chill bar on the backside of the piece to build up. It takes about a 1/2" x 2" x 8" to be effective. Copper works best as it can be used on all common metals where the AL has limitations. Scrap yard or ?

Clamp it to the thin piece and weld against it. The weld won't stick to the copper.

T_Bone



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Ron Hart

04-08-2002 19:33:03




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 Re: Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to T_Bone, 04-07-2002 17:58:12  
A copper or brass chill bar clamped under the edge or point works great. We repaired hundreds of them when we had the blacksmith shop for 26 years. I never tried aluminun, but think it might comtaminate the weld.
Good luck
Ron



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T_Bone

04-08-2002 23:24:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding Question, how to build up edges and points? in reply to Ron Hart, 04-08-2002 19:33:03  
Hi Ron,

The AL chill bars work ok and dose't contaminate the weld. AL is not my first choice but does work when thats all thats available. Brass would be a great 2nd choice and lots better than AL. Hard to beat copper tho.

T_Bone



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