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DC

04-03-2002 20:43:00




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I want to buy a good chainsaw to cut about 5 cords of wood a season.Want to stay under $400.I've looked at Echo CS510,Stihl 026& Farm Boss.Any feedback about these or other saws would be great.Thanks!




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DC

04-14-2002 11:52:49




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
Just wanted to thank all of you who took the time to offer advice.Thanks for all the recommendations,tips and the links to other sites.I now have lots of info to help me decide.This a great forum!



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shoot501

04-08-2002 01:34:47




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I cut about 15 to 20 cord of firewood a year, mostly oak. Like most us hillfolk I got more than one old saw, 025 and 028super stihl, and 115 and 120 sachs/dolmar. The 025 is a good little saw for limbing and light firewood cutting, the 120 dolmar is powerful and not very heavy, the 115 dolmar and the 028super are the favorites, light, powerful, easy handling, bullet pruff and no longer made! If it was my choice I would get a good used 028 super or a new 3.5 cube makita, just my thoughts.

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Irv

04-06-2002 11:33:01




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I have a Sthil 024 - for 13 years. I have found that if I pull the filter off, ( it ia held by 2 screws) and blow it out with an air nozzle, then clean it out with some mix, the saw will start up on the firsr pull. Kepping the saw sharp helps alot. This means getting a bunch of chains. Good luck, Irv



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Tim B

04-05-2002 19:45:55




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
DC, I've owned a husky for 19 years, have cut more than 600 cords of wood with it (first 500 in the first 5 years or so), it's a little beat but still runs strong. Any good brand is apt to do you for 5 cords a year - husky, stihl, jonsered. The most important thing about any saw is proper chain sharpening, my father-in-law has an old Eager Beaver saw so small you can barely fit a gloved hand in the handles, but it cuts like the dickens because he is good a sharpening the chain. I've had an Oregon sliding sharpening guide for the 19 years, and I use my chains until the teeth are so thin they start breaking off. What ever saw you get, get a sharpening guide - nothing fancy, just something to help you hold the same angle on all the teeth, and the opposite angle on the other side of the chain. And a narrow file to file down the rakes periodically.

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Terry-N-Mo

04-05-2002 18:39:14




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I was raised around Homelites but i bought an older Stihl 032av last summer in excellent condition and i was impressed,what a difference!!!Right now i`m running an 18" bar but might go a little bigger when i replace it. It always starts good and its a cuttin son of a buck.



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shawn

04-05-2002 10:48:33




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I have a 025 and it works good and I cut about 12 cord last year and cleared an acre this winter (felled and bucked) but I think there is a oiling problem with mine. I don't think it is the model and it takes some pulling once again mine i think.



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JO

04-05-2002 08:52:27




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I agree with the Stihl suggestions. I inhereted an old 041AV w/ 20" bar and it has been great. Probably from around 1980. Never takes more than 3 pulls to start. A fine machine.

Stick the the even numbered models if you're buying newer stuff (026, 028, 036).

-J



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george

04-05-2002 08:40:24




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I have a stihl and it works great, cut down 1 acre of heavy dense forest, all hard woods. took me a long time. but that saw is great



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snowman

04-04-2002 19:19:34




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
Buy a Husky you wont regret it cut over 200 rick plus brush with my first 1 have 2 more now.



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MarkB

04-04-2002 19:19:06




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
If you go with Stihl, spend the extra money for the 026. I have an 029 (aka Farm Boss, aka MS290), and it works well enough but the 026 is three pounds lighter. For the amount of wood you're going to cut there's no sense skimping; you won't regret going over budget, because this is a lifetime investment.



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All the replies are on point, and

04-04-2002 17:52:42




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I thought davefr knew exactly what he was talking about. Our experience has been:
1. About 40-50 years ago- big McCullar(sp?) that weighs about 40 lbs. Still got it and it saws good if you are man enough to hold it.
2.About 30 years ago, Homelite XL weighs about 20 lbs. Still runs good but wears you down.
3. About 27 years ago - Homelite Super 2 for light work. Will still cut like an ex wife with an axe to grind.
4. 3 years ago - Stihl .026 with a 20 inch bar. It made me feel young again and I don't have to bend over so much. I'm with you davefr.
Stihl or Husky and maybe whatever so long as parts are available. There is a guy named Hogman who knows his chainsaws if you ever need to ask.

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JF

04-04-2002 16:35:28




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I got a 029 stihl,but cut with people who have huskavarna (sp).And I like the husk, much better and thinking about getting the 351 model to replace my new 029 stihl.
I will say 1 thing for my stihl it never fails me to start,but will never keep up with a comparable husk.
And the husk. 351 will run $350 same as 029.
My 2cents



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John in MA

04-04-2002 21:28:40




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to JF, 04-04-2002 16:35:28  
Husky's are great saws, but your Stihl isn't a very good measure. The 029 is rather underpowered and overweight. A used 028ave should be much better.



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jeannot23

09-17-2004 08:26:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to John in MA, 04-04-2002 21:28:40  
BTW, I have an older Stihl 028 (bought second hand), and it works well--once I learned how to start it.

I've heard that the 260 is also good, and somewhat lighter in weight.



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One more suggestion...

04-04-2002 14:44:51




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
Since there was the big safety thread the other day...

Be sure to set aside $65 to buy a set of chaps.. sweet talk the dealer into making it a part of the deal.

I watched a fellow cut a 6" long slice about 2" deep into his leg one day. If there hadn't been folks around to help he might have bled to death.

Happened so quick.. One little slip.

bb



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davefr

04-04-2002 10:13:38




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
The sweet spot is about 50cc, 10-11 lbs, and 16-20" bars because these saws will do 95%+. Don't go much smaller than 50cc because their won't be much weight savings, but once you go higher than 50cc the weight will steadily increase. (increased weight=fatigue=reduced safety)

I'd look at Stihl 026, Husky 346XP, Solo 651, Shindaiwa 488, Makita/Dolma DCS540, or Jonsered 2149. You won't go wrong with any of them but I prefer the proven Stihl 026. (It will be priced right at $400). I would also factor local dealer suppport into your decision. (i.e. If the Husky dealer is better than get the 346XP, etc)

Whatever you do don't buy a consumer Stihl such as 025, 029, or 021. They are underfeatured and overpriced and represent poor value compared to the competition.

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Ed Hogan

05-10-2002 11:36:55




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to davefr, 04-04-2002 10:13:38  
I have an old Jonsered 455 chainsaw. I use leaded petrol with a little oil (4 stroke) as a mixture. I find that I do not get full power, although the chainsaw has been serviced recently. Could this have something to do with the mixture (too little oil - or too much?). Ed Hogan (Ireland)



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John A.

04-04-2002 20:30:42




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to davefr, 04-04-2002 10:13:38  
My favorite is the Stihl 036 with a 20 in blade.
But, fine tune the chain by tipping the guides
just a little bit with a hand grinder. You will
get chunks of wood, not dust. Will cut through a log faster than a standard chain.
The only change I would do is in lighter work
switch to a 16 in. bar and chain . That much power will pull a shorter chain better in lighter work. My $.02 .
John A.

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John in MA

04-04-2002 21:31:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to John A., 04-04-2002 20:30:42  
Lowering the rakers isn't something recommended, even by pro loggers. Your chain should should be making nice big chunks with them at the stock setting. I believe that's .25-.30.



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shoe

04-06-2002 03:28:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to John in MA, 04-04-2002 21:31:36  
Don't know who told you that filing the rackers
on a chain is not recomended, but that is entirely
wrong. I am one of those pro loggers you talked
about in your post, I have made my living in the
woods cutting saw logs for many years. As the tooth is filed away, the rackers must also be filed down which allows the tooth to bite into
the wood. Due to the bevel of the tooth, the rack-
ers must be filed down to approx .015 to.020 or
the chain rides on the rackers not allowing the
tooth to cut maximum depth.

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John in MA

04-06-2002 18:28:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to shoe, 04-06-2002 03:28:27  
I wasn't talking about maintaining the normal height. His post made it sound like he was dropping the rakers unnaturally down to get bigger chunks.



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steve

04-05-2002 12:10:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to John in MA, 04-04-2002 21:31:36  
Ever since I sharpend the chain it cuts sides ways drifts to the right .what am i doing wrong?. Steve



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shoe

04-06-2002 03:36:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to steve, 04-05-2002 12:10:03  
Steve, it could be that one side is sharper than
the other but generally, if the angle the tooth
was filed is not the same on both sides will
cause the chain to pull one way or the other.
Try to even the angle up so both sides are about
the same.



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John in MA

04-05-2002 12:11:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to steve, 04-05-2002 12:10:03  
You got one side sharper than the other. Grab your file and try to correct it. Patience and practice are the only cures.



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FRANK

04-04-2002 18:04:50




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to davefr, 04-04-2002 10:13:38  
I LIKE JONSERED 2149 IT'S A GREAT SAW AND
RUNS LIKE A CHAMP. TRY ONE I THINK YOU
WILL LIKE IT TOO.



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FRANK

04-04-2002 18:04:05




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to davefr, 04-04-2002 10:13:38  
I LIKE JONSERED 2149 IT'S A GREAT SAW AND
RUNS LIKE A CHAMP. TRY ONE I THINK YOU
WILL LIKE IT TOO.



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Rod (NH)

04-04-2002 11:21:19




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to davefr, 04-04-2002 10:13:38  
Hi davefr,

I agree fully. I got a Stihl 026P one year ago and I absolutely love it. It is an excellent compromise between light weight and cutting ability. After many years of Macs, it is a pleasure to have an easy starter :o).

I took a while to decide and it was difficult between the Stihl and the equivalent Husky...but the Stihl won.

Rod



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RON-ON-JD

04-04-2002 09:07:54




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I have cut at least 5 cords,and as many as 40 cords in a season depends if we're cutting just our own or we have some to sell.The Stihl 026 is the first saw I'll grab if I have a choice.It has probably the best power to weight ratio of any thing out there.It is the choice of most loggers I know around here also.It is the smallest Stihl to run fullsize 3/8th chain and 20inch bar.Excels as a limbing saw,but great on the log stack also.If you have the choice get the PRO model which has a self compensating carb,it willrun the same longer between filter cleanings. Good-luck. RON

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Tyler(WA)

04-04-2002 08:40:06




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I had a Husky and it served me well for years of hard work. When it needed a rebuild, I found the parts were so expensive that I might as well chuck it and buy new.

For grins, I found which was the complementing Stihl saw for that year and called a parts dealer for a price on a rebuild kit. The price was reasonable and the parts available.

Needless to say, I bought a "Farm Boss" with a 20" bar. NO complaints. It cuts all day and never lets me down. When it will need parts (someday) I expect they will be available for less than having to buy a new saw.

I do wish that I'd bought the 24" bar though. Not that I need to cut anything that big but it would let me stand more upright as I make my cuts. That would save my aching back when I have a lot of cutting to do. A logging buddy of mine shared that trick. All his saws are at least 24" for that reason. The chain will stay sharper longer too.

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Morty (CA)

05-09-2002 19:16:29




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to Tyler(WA), 04-04-2002 08:40:06  
I don't know what you consider a reasonable price for a rebuild kit, but I have a Stihl 029 Farmboss with a scored piston and cylinder and my local dealer told me the top end rebuild kit (without labor) was $208.00 He said by the time we replaced seals and bearings I'd be better off to buy a new one for $299. So now I'm stuck.

To make matters worse, there is no price competition for Stihl dealers because they don't sell over the internet or ship out of the area. So my local is my only resource to get the parts. Also I have not been able to find any aftermarket rebuild kit available for my saw either, so I guess it's just a throw away. What a drag.

Any bright ideas?

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Scott Green

04-04-2002 08:27:23




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I bought an "echo" chain saw years ago. It was a model 660.I cut many many cord of wood with that saw. Never had a problem with it. It was a very good saw. I liked it a lot. I sold it to my uncle. He still uses that saw today. It runs just as good as the day it was new. I can't tell you much about the new echo's. I havn't run any. The only reason I haven't bought a new echo is because they changed the color from orange to grey. If I were going to buy a new saw today , it would be a "Husky". I'm quite impressed with them. The saw for you would be the model 350.

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bbott

04-04-2002 07:13:53




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
IMHO. You really won't go wrong with either a Husky or a Stihl.

Note that in both the Husky and Stihl lineups, there are 'Pro' Saws and 'Consumer' models. The pro models are pretty much what they say, built and tuned for everyday use. Cost a few extra $$$.

At any rate, there's lots of choices. Here's a couple of popular ones around here.

Husqvarna 350 sells for $299 with a 20" bar. Very popular saw.

Stihl makes a competing model at the $300 price point. Darn, I can't remember the number off the top of my head...that comes with a 20" bar also. The 026 might be one size too small for serious work. Depends on your wood.

I have a Stihl 028AVE Super (pro saw) that's a 1982 model. Haven't had a lick of trouble with it, also have a Husky 51 (consumer saw) that was the predecessor to the 350. No troubles there either.

I haven't run one for a long time, but Echo was a great saw, really started the revolution in imported chainsaws. Marked the beginning of the end for Homelite and Mac.

For middling to bigger stuff, the Husky 372XP is the most popular saw around here. That's probably more saw (and $$$) than you want.

This site: (www.madsens1.com) has a lot of good info and advice on chainsaws, chain, sharpening, and etc.

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Jack (Oregon)

04-04-2002 09:29:44




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 Re: Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to bbott, 04-04-2002 07:13:53  
My brother has been a logger (faller and bucker) for many years. (50) he's owned and operated about every brand there is. He likes the Sthil the best.And the size depends on the timber to be cut.the secret is to learn how to sharpen the chain so she really cuts fast and easy without wearing you out. Dont buy one of them little jobs, they wont stand up to the heat.I got a small Mac that vapor locks after a little bit of heavy wood cutting. I also have a Husky 51 thats a dandy saw. Hi RPM and dependable.20 to 25 inch bar is just right. above all else be carefull and when you get tired take breaks. They can cut your leg off in an instant.

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ShepFL

04-04-2002 06:29:28




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I have 3 saws and like my Stihl the best. I have a Poulan 18" bar that is general brush cutting and a David Bradley that is a BEHEMOTH!! 42" bar - nothing that big here in the S.E.

I suggest you check out the Forestry Forum as they have a forum dedicated to just saws. Lots of good techical information and tricks of the trade from the pros. I hang out there from time to time for my planted pine efforts. HTH

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Rory

04-04-2002 05:38:50




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I have a Husqvarna saw and am very pleased with it. Check out their site, they have a saw selection guide to help you decide. Just click on chainsaws under products in the left panel.



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Mark/Ks

04-04-2002 04:41:08




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
Stihl, Still the best (IMO),, I've had the Stihl Farm Boss for about 12 years. Still running strong. Had it in the shop once. Muffler baffles were plugged. I think the prices have remained about the same in all that time.



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Nolan

04-04-2002 04:02:36




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
I've got two saws that I'm well pleased with. One is a Poulan 3400, the other is a little Mac 140. Of the two, I tend to use the Mac most. The reason simply is that it is more manageable.

Sure the Poulan is a bigger saw, and when I'm trying to cut down a tree, or saw big logs, it's the one I use.

But the Mac, being lighter and weaker is a saw that doesn't tire me out when I'm slashing limbs off the felled tree. I can also overpower the saw if it binds or attempts to kick. That's real important when I've been cutting for an hour or two.

So no specific brand recommendations, just some general sawing comments.

Best chainsaw tool I purchased? The $5 depth setting guide. Worth its weight in gold, especially as the chain wears down.

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F14

04-04-2002 03:54:08




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
Stihl, all the way. I've got an 025 for just that purpose. The equivalent model of a Husky will do ya proud too.



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echo

04-04-2002 03:48:33




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions in reply to DC, 04-03-2002 20:43:00  
i have a echo 610 15-20 yrs old 2-3 loads slabwood yr good saw like twin cyl power



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