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Bill

03-29-2002 09:45:39




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I bought a cheap flux wire only wire welder awhile back. Works fine for what I need. But this has always bugged me. I have a ox/actelyne rig, first welder I bought, and AC arc welder and my wire welder. You don't seem to use a shielding gas for ox/actlyne welding, so why couldn't you just use straight wire or aluminum wire for welding without gas? What would be the results if you did?

Thanks for enlightening me
Bill

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Trucker

04-03-2002 21:48:32




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 Re: Wire welding question in reply to Bill, 03-29-2002 09:45:39  
The gas acts like flux on a welding rod,to braze you use flux dont you?It keeps the weld pure untill it gells.If you dont use gas the weld wont hold,it will bubble up and be full of air pockets,steel or aluminum.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-30-2002 07:30:43




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 Re: Wire welding question in reply to Bill, 03-29-2002 09:45:39  
Hi Bill,
While flux coatings and shielding gases cannot perform the exact same functions there are several functions performed by each one.

Shielding gas primarily does create a gaseous atmosphere around the arc that protects the weld deposit from the atmospheric gases present in the air we breathe. That is the single most important contributor to sound weld metal properties.

In addition to that, the shielding gas also stabilizes the arc, aids dramatically in bead appearance, transfers generated heat from the arc to the work piece, and provides significant root penetration. Shielding gases also transform the type of arc from one mode to the other as is unique to wire welding processes.
Steve

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steve

03-29-2002 19:57:38




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 Re: Wire welding question in reply to Bill, 03-29-2002 09:45:39  
Al is right. the flux in the wire, or on a stick welder makes the "purge gas" around the weld puddle. If you use a gas purge MIG you will get an even better looking weld. If you try to weld with solid wire and no flux or gas, its like arc welding with a coat hanger, dont work at all.

as for the gas MIG, CO2 is cheap and works very good for mild steel, if you are welding aluminum or stainless, the CO2 is not adequate and you will need a mixture which is a little more expensive. If your welder can be equipped with a gas kit, you might want to try it sometime, it works great. I buy a bottle of gas for $18.00 and it last for a year. I use it a couple times a week.

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Al English

03-29-2002 13:33:54




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 Re: Wire welding question in reply to Bill, 03-29-2002 09:45:39  
Hi Bill,

The Oxy/Acetylene flame creates an oxygen free(sort of) zone around the weld. That's why no shielding gas is needed. If you want to see some poor(and ugly) welds, try using solid wire in your Mig unit with the gas turned off...Al English



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bill b va

03-30-2002 12:01:28




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 Re: Re: Wire welding question in reply to Al English, 03-29-2002 13:33:54  

when welding with a neutral flame .



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