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Electric Trailer Brakes Question??

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Jason

03-27-2002 16:48:52




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I hooked up my trailer the one day and when I tested to see if all the lights worked I noticed the sound of my brakes coming on and off. I had the 4-way flashers on when testing. I called U-haul where I got my brake controler and they said this was normal. I never noticed this before. Is it normal? They have a extra part you can put on to stop this,but I wanted to check with other people before I do any thing. Thanks for any help!

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Big Mike

03-30-2002 23:59:34




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to Jason, 03-27-2002 16:48:52  
Had the same problem with a 72 Chev that we set up to pull a trailer. The fix from the brake control manufacture is a diode that is put in by the brake light switch. The older trucks have only one bulb that serves as a turn and stop light,most modern trucks have a seperate bulb for the turn signal thus do not feed back to the controller....Big Mike



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DumOleBob

03-27-2002 21:28:23




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to Jason, 03-27-2002 16:48:52  
Actually, I don't think it is all that unusual to have the Tr brakes pulse in sync with the 4 ways on some vehicles I'd call the Tech people at the controler Mfg. They can usually match up your vehicle with a fix for the problem. These people are usually very well informed & very anxious to help. Most of us Joes off the street will just be guessing and you are the one that's gotta stop!.



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thurlow

03-27-2002 18:46:38




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to Jason, 03-27-2002 16:48:52  
My guess is the controller is hooked up wrong, or..... ..most likely, you don't have a good ground.



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bob

03-28-2002 06:25:39




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 Re: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to thurlow, 03-27-2002 18:46:38  
I had same thing happen only on road . signaled and brakes would lock up on flash quit using signal and checked and found wire loose in socket check there first . never heard of part to add on . I don,t think too muchof u haul haul mech, as brother in law had them do job and we had to fix it later ourselves



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rhudson

03-27-2002 17:05:30




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to Jason, 03-27-2002 16:48:52  
I don't think so. sounds like the brake controller is receiving its signal from the brake lights instead of the brake switch. what do they think, you turn on four ways and go down the road with the brakes locking every time the lights flash. like i said, i don't think thats correct. i hooked to a trailer once, pulled it outofapasture making a right hand turn onto the hard surface road. by habit i turned on right hand signals and noticed the brakes locking every time the signal flashed. wireing on trailor incorrect.

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Mark Kw

03-28-2002 04:28:34




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 Re: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to rhudson, 03-27-2002 17:05:30  
rhudson is very much correct. This is NOT right at all and should by no means be considered "normal" under any circumstance. There are many different types of brake controllers and connections for each one are specific to each unit.

Some vehicles are equipped with two switches, one only for the brake lights which is usually found behind the pedal arm under the dash. The other swicth can be found on vehicles pre-wired for trailers with electric brakes and some with a secondary hydraulic switch that gives feed back to the anti-lock system and or vehicle computer.

The vehicle electrical system also needs to be looked at as well. If you have an interconnection between the brake light swicth and the 4 way flasher system, there is possibly a problem. It is normal for the brake light switch on the pedal to stop the 4 ways from flashing, this is done to show that you are applying the brakes and slowing, a safety overide of sorts.

The trailer brakes should only function when the pedal is depressed and should not function when turn signals or 4 ways are activated. As someone else said, you may have a bad ground from the trailer to the vehicle but if this is the case, you should also notice other lights besides the 4 ways flashing or all the lights flashing as the current will flow in all devices according to ohms law.

I have to side with rhudson and say that something is not connected properly either in the controller or wiring to the trailer or on the trailer itself. What you need to do is start isolating the problem first starting at the wiring connected to the brake controller. To do this you will need a complete wiring diagram of the controller. If this is a U-haul installed system, you need to return it to them to get repaired as it is unsafe to use as it is. If the U-haul shop you talked to refuses to repair the problem, take it to another dealer even if you have to go out of your way. If you still don't get the problem fixed, call U-haul main office, number is on their web site. If you still don't get results, take it to a professional garage that does electric trailer brakes and have it fixed. Be sure to document everything including the dates, times and names of everyone you talked to at U-haul. This will be necessary when you file the legal suit against them. In addition to getting your money back for the repairs, you also need to file a formal complaint against U-haul with your state D.O.T. (Department of Transportation).

U-haul is not the best company to deal with at times and you should expect to end up in a battle over this so keep everything in order and don't be afraid to mention the fact that you are willing to seek legal action if they don't fix it NOW! I've been around the block a time or 10 with people bringing U-haul stuff into my shop to be fixed and it ain't no fun.

Good luck on this and don't use it till you have it fixed properly.

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richlizzy

03-28-2002 05:37:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to Mark Kw, 03-28-2002 04:28:34  
I have many trailers in my construction company. What you describe is perfectly normal. I have been inspected many times by the D.O.T. and this does not effect brake performance. If you want to correct this go to a Redneck Trailer parts distrubter and they will have a fix. If you do not drive with the four-ways on it is not a problem. One more note, make sure you have a breakaway kit and the battery is charged at all times. Also if total trailer weight exceeds 10,000 lbs, you need to have a CDL regardless to total combined weight.

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jim

03-29-2002 23:58:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to richlizzy, 03-28-2002 05:37:17  
you better get another medhanic. so if your trucks are pulling grade at slow speed and turn on flashers you want your brakes coming on. give me a brake(pun)



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Paul

03-29-2002 19:31:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to richlizzy, 03-28-2002 05:37:17  
I agree that this is a normal occurance.Whenever I check my lights by using the 4 way flashers my trailer brakes also pulse. They will never do it with a single turn signal. If I happen to leave my flashers on by mistake I can tell it because I can feel the trailer jerking with each pulse. Maybe the brake controller gets some kind of feedback when all the lights are flashing.



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T_Bone

03-28-2002 06:31:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Question?? in reply to richlizzy, 03-28-2002 05:37:17  
Hi Jason,

From your discription power is being supplied from the brake light circuit too the trailer brake wire.

It would have to be either a bad brake controller or someone tied into the trailer brake wire for a brake light or the brake controller is wired incorrect .

If the brake controller had a internal problem then it could feed the brake light circut into the trailer brake circuit causing this problem. I think this is highly unlikey. More likely is what rhudson and Mark said, the brake controller is wired incorrect.

Someone could have lost brake lights and took a wire from the trailer brake circuit to power the brake lights. This would back feed voltage to the trailer brake circuit any time the brake lights were on ie; when brakes are appiled or 4-way flashers were on.

T_Bone

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